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AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Frost1x wrote: post #110
giancarlostoro wrote: post #49

I stopped using Facebook because I saw a video of a little Australian girl maybe 7 years old age wise holding a spider bigger than her face in her hand. I wrote the most internet meme comment I could think of “girl let go of that spider, we gotta set the house on fire” hit the button to post, only it did not post, it gave me an account strike. At the time I was the only developer at my employer who managed our Facebo…

The underlying issue here isn’t AI based policing, it’s the fact private entities have enough unregulated influence on peoples’ daily life that their use of these or any such policy mechanisms are undemocratically effecting people in notably significant ways. The Facebook example is, whatever, but what if it’s some landlord renting making a decision, some health insurance company deciding your coverage, etc. Now obvi…

I mean, I no longer work at this place.. and I have no idea what % of customers used Facebook to login to their accounts, but I'm sure someone would have been mad they couldn't get the famous butter biscuits reward if I had gotten banned, and Facebook had proceeded to ban our FB app. ;)

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Post by zouhair »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #49

I stopped using Facebook because I saw a video of a little Australian girl maybe 7 years old age wise holding a spider bigger than her face in her hand. I wrote the most internet meme comment I could think of “girl let go of that spider, we gotta set the house on fire” hit the button to post, only it did not post, it gave me an account strike. At the time I was the only developer at my employer who managed our Facebo…

The problem is how it is easy for AI with full surveillance to shape one's opinions. We are mostly doomed as a species.

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Post by cmxch »

randycupertino wrote: post #179
kbaker wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I got perma-banned for violating rules under my alt accounts. But I don't have any alt accounts...??? Appeal process is a joke. I just opted to delete my 12 year old account instead and have stopped going there. Oh well, probably time for them to go under and be reborn anyways. The default subs and front page has been garbage for some time.

I'm permanently banned from Reddit for calling a "power mod" of SF Bay Area a nimby when he was complaining about increased traffic in his neighborhood and that they had to put a stop sign up at a major intersection. They IP and hardward device banned me, it's crazy! Any appeal auto-rejected and can't make new accounts.

This is where someone does need to buy up Reddit to clean that out.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #127
bitwize wrote: post #123

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Per the Linux Foundation it is inappropriate to speak of programs as "hung" due to the political and social history associated with hanging. What makes you think "ricing" would be considered acceptable language in today's context?

huh, the past tense of the violent "hang" is "hanged" not "hung". https://www.thefreedictionary.com/hung "hung" means to "suspend", so the process is suspended

It also means … ahem … a well-endowed gentleman.

I’m not sure that AI would necessarily make that mistake, but a semilterate mod, very much could.

I think the real issue is the absolute impossibility of appeal. This is a big problem, for outfits like Google or Microsoft, where stories of businesses being shut down for false positive bans are fairly common.

In my experience, on the other hand, Apple has always been responsive to appeal. I have released a lot of apps, and have had fairly frequent rejections. The process is annoying, because they seldom tell you exactly what caused the rejection, but I usually figure it out, after one or two exchanges. They are almost always word-choice issues, but not bad words. Rather, they don’t like stuff that can step on their brands.

I once had an app rejected, because it had the word “Finder” in its name (it was an app for finding things).

The annoying thing, was that the first rejection said it was because it was a simple re-skinning of a Web site. I’m positive that what happened, was that a human assessor accidentally tapped the wrong button on their dashboard.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

reaperducer wrote: post #107
jazzyjackson wrote: post #59

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I wish I could fund an as campaign to free people from the perception that ads are to sell you products Ads are there to change your behavior to make you more likely to buy products, e.g., put downward pressure on your self esteem to make you feel "less than" unless you live a lifestyle that happens to involve buying X product They are not made in your best interest, they are adverserial psycho-tech that have a side…

Ads are there to change your behavior to make you more likely to buy products You have described one type of ad. There are many many types of ads. If you were actually knowledgeable about this, you'd know that basic fact.

rude

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Post by EchoReflection »

we're fooling ourselves if we think there's "still time". AI surveillance is just too powerful and valuable for companies/governments to NOT use it. It's just like saying "ok let's all agree to not increase our power and capabilities". Nobody thinks humanity would collectively agree to that, and for good reason (unfortunately).

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Post by terribleperson »

randycupertino wrote: post #179
kbaker wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I got perma-banned for violating rules under my alt accounts. But I don't have any alt accounts...??? Appeal process is a joke. I just opted to delete my 12 year old account instead and have stopped going there. Oh well, probably time for them to go under and be reborn anyways. The default subs and front page has been garbage for some time.

I'm permanently banned from Reddit for calling a "power mod" of SF Bay Area a nimby when he was complaining about increased traffic in his neighborhood and that they had to put a stop sign up at a major intersection. They IP and hardward device banned me, it's crazy! Any appeal auto-rejected and can't make new accounts.

...is nimby a dirty word now or something?

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Post by abustamam »

azemetre wrote: post #166
olddustytrail wrote: post #158

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Most first world countries don't have this. It's not a given.

The US is usually a hot bed of experimentation in corporate malfeasance.

As an American, it's funny how ahead and "first world" the US can be in some things, but how backwards and "developing country" the US can be in other things.

Medicine itself is very first-world. But medical insurance is one of those "worse than developing country" things. The fact that Americans need medical insurance at all is appalling to many countries, first world and otherwise.

And of course, by funny I mean "I can only laugh otherwise I'd cry"

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Post by wkat4242 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #49

I stopped using Facebook because I saw a video of a little Australian girl maybe 7 years old age wise holding a spider bigger than her face in her hand. I wrote the most internet meme comment I could think of “girl let go of that spider, we gotta set the house on fire” hit the button to post, only it did not post, it gave me an account strike. At the time I was the only developer at my employer who managed our Facebo…

Facebook is mostly using AI now. Early this year they closed their entire moderation office in our city and fired the thousands of people that worked there. There was no training handover to other teams like what was the case before when a part was moved to a lower wage country.

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Post by Nasrudith »

esafak wrote: post #91
pwython wrote: post #53

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Honestly, retargeting/personalized ads have never bothered me. If I'm gonna see ads anyway, I'd much rather get ads that might actually interest me, versus wildly irrelevant pharmaceutical drugs and other nonsense.

Then why in twenty years of personalization am I still seeing junk ads? I don't want to hear about your drop-shipping or LLM wrapping business. The overwhelming majority of ads are junk. Yes, they bother me.

Because they are selling to the advertisers and their own imagination of their 'brand'. If the advertising customer base weren't stupid then 'advertiser friendly' wouldn't exist as they would be smart enough to realize that you won't offend people by advertising to content that they are watching for entertainment, or from people saying 'die'.
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