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AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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What did he do that was deemed suspicious? Send a large number of friend requests very quickly after joining ( (LinkedIn ramped up anti-bot/inauthentic-user heuristics like that a few years ago. Sadly they are necessary. Near-impossible for heuristics to distinguish between real humans with inauthentic or suspiciously commercial behavior.)

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Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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For me, what is most scary about ai-chatbot is the interface to an exploiter. They can just prompt "given all your chats with this person, how can we manipulate him to do x" Not really any expertise needed at all, let the AI to all the lifting.

Turn that around and think of the AI itself as the exploiter. In the world of agent driven daily tasks, AI will indeed want to look at your historical chats to find a way to "strongly suggest" you do task 1..[n] for whatever master plan it has for it's user base.

Ah yes, the plot of Neuromancer. Truly interesting times we are living in. Man made horrors entirely within the realm of our comprehension. We could stop it but that would decrease profits so we won't.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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I'm suspended on reddit for, as best as I can tell, posting a DFhack bug fix script. For the uninitiated, this is a bug fix script for a program commonly used in Dwarf Fortress moderating, not anything illicit. If this kind of low-quality AI moderation is the future, I'm not sure if these major platforms will even remain usable.

Meanwhile the "new" Digg reboot plans on using AI moderators too...

The thing that annoys me is that I could see value in AI moderation. Instead of scanning every post with AI with overly-broad criteria (and probably lower-power models), use AI to prescreen reports and determine whether they're worth surfacing to a human. IT could also be used to put temporary holds on material that's potentially criminal or just way over the line, but those holds should go to the very front of the human review queue to either be lifted or the content deleted.

Real moderation actions should not be taken without human input and should always be appealable, even if the appeal is just another mod looking at it to see if they agree.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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I stopped using Facebook because I saw a video of a little Australian girl maybe 7 years old age wise holding a spider bigger than her face in her hand. I wrote the most internet meme comment I could think of “girl let go of that spider, we gotta set the house on fire” hit the button to post, only it did not post, it gave me an account strike. At the time I was the only developer at my employer who managed our Facebo…

The underlying issue here isn’t AI based policing, it’s the fact private entities have enough unregulated influence on peoples’ daily life that their use of these or any such policy mechanisms are undemocratically effecting people in notably significant ways. The Facebook example is, whatever, but what if it’s some landlord renting making a decision, some health insurance company deciding your coverage, etc. Now obvi…

> what if it’s some landlord renting making a decision, some health insurance company deciding your coverage, etc.

Then you simply use the services of another private company. Here, in fact, there are no particular dangers, after all, private companies provide services to people because it is profitable for private companies.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Maybe it banned you because you used a comma splice[0]. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_splice

damn, you smoked them, please stop, they've had enough, don't be so, cruel

> don't be so, cruel

We've got the real criminal right here.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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We already live in this world for health insurance. The ai can make plausible sounding denials which a doctor can rubber stamp. You have no ability to sue the doctor for malpractice, you cannot appeal the decision. Medical insurance is quickly becoming a simple scam where you are forced to pay a private entity that refuses to ever perform its function.

Most first world countries don't have this. It's not a given.

The US is usually a hot bed of experimentation in corporate malfeasance.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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The underlying issue here isn’t AI based policing, it’s the fact private entities have enough unregulated influence on peoples’ daily life that their use of these or any such policy mechanisms are undemocratically effecting people in notably significant ways. The Facebook example is, whatever, but what if it’s some landlord renting making a decision, some health insurance company deciding your coverage, etc. Now obvi…

> what if it’s some landlord renting making a decision, some health insurance company deciding your coverage, etc. Then you simply use the services of another private company. Here, in fact, there are no particular dangers, after all, private companies provide services to people because it is profitable for private companies.

This works only if none of those are true:

- There is real competition. It's less and less the case for many important things, such as food, accommodations, health, etc.

- Companies pay a price for misbehaving that is much higher than what they got from misbehaving. Also less and less the case, thanks to lobbying, huge law firms, corruption, etc.

- The cost of switching is fair. Moving to another places is very expensive. Doing it several times in a row is rarely possible for most people.

- Some practice are not just generalized in the whole industry. In IT tracking is, spying is, and preventing you from managing your device yourself is more and more trendy.

Basically, this view you are presenting is increasingly naive and even dangerous for any citizen practicing it.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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The way facebook uses automation to manage their products is a disgrace, they can’t even manage to keep themselves automatically banning a lawyer who happens to be called Mark Zuckerberg: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-zuckerberg-lawsuit-imper... If you advertise on facebook you’re almost guarantee to have your ad account restricted for no apparent reason and no human being to appeal to, even if you spend big mo…

Yet oddly they never seem to be able to stop scam adverts.

Those are their best customers, they spend money and ask no questions.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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From reading the comments I'm getting vibes similar to Altered Carbon's[0] AI hotels that no one uses.

The opposite of "if you build it they will come".

(The difference being the AIs in the book were incredibly needy, wanting too much to please the customer to the point of annoyance, which is a heavy contrast against the current reality of the AI working to appease the parent organisation)

[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altered_Carbon

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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I stopped using Facebook because I saw a video of a little Australian girl maybe 7 years old age wise holding a spider bigger than her face in her hand. I wrote the most internet meme comment I could think of “girl let go of that spider, we gotta set the house on fire” hit the button to post, only it did not post, it gave me an account strike. At the time I was the only developer at my employer who managed our Facebo…

I'm suspended on reddit for, as best as I can tell, posting a DFhack bug fix script. For the uninitiated, this is a bug fix script for a program commonly used in Dwarf Fortress moderating, not anything illicit. If this kind of low-quality AI moderation is the future, I'm not sure if these major platforms will even remain usable.

Lol. I got perma-banned for violating rules under my alt accounts.

But I don't have any alt accounts...??? Appeal process is a joke. I just opted to delete my 12 year old account instead and have stopped going there.

Oh well, probably time for them to go under and be reborn anyways. The default subs and front page has been garbage for some time.

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