Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

Post by lagniappe » Sun, Aug 17, 2025, 2:19 PM UTC

bornfreddy wrote: post #165

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There are two aspects. "Charge" and "costs/who pays". When someone can start a Kia with a USB cable, the owner pays for that. Kia may have a fee for replacing something, but that doesn't factor in the calculus of "there's a reason these people are buying our product, and we assess they will continue to do so." Note that Kia offered a maximum of $6,125/$3,375 for totaled/damaged vehicles. The previous formula: "You ta…

There is also this thing called brand loyalty. After the car manufacturer pulls a stunt like that I will think twice before I buy my next car from them.

Post by [deleted] » Sun, Aug 17, 2025, 3:12 PM UTC

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But why? Locks are working. They perfectly fulfill requirements for the lock. Open/close with a key, stay closed if tried to be opened without a key. There is no such thing as secure lock. Any lock could be open without original key. The difference is in the amount of effort. Still baffles me that KIA sold cars which can be driven away using screwdriver and USB cable.

There are some locks that cannot be opened without the correct key. Abloy and BiLock are two examples.

Post by throwaway290 » Sun, Aug 17, 2025, 3:18 PM UTC

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> if what they give you is defective they will replace it without question once you bring it to their attention Go there and request a rare steak or idk steak with kimchi, let is know how it goes! This is a Korean car and probably secure enough in korea where you usually don't lock your bike and/or house. If it not secure if you park it on the street in SF/London/Magadan/Capetown/Kabul are you sure they owe you a fre…

Hyundai has car factories in 10 countries. The car in question is made in at least 2 countries. The defect being fixed applies to cars sold by a British subsidiary in Britain to Britons with the promise that it meets British market standards. It’s not even clear to me that these cars were manufactured in Korea, if they were, they couldn’t be sold there due to the right hand drive. The cars in question were very much…

Post by lokar » Sun, Aug 17, 2025, 4:09 PM UTC

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The Kia Boys stuff, child labor, and ICCU failures weren't enough? The Ioniq 5 absolutely looks like a compelling car but from my POV Hyundai seems hell bent on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I'd add dealerships to the list. I've had to "experience" those once for our testdrive of said Ioniq 5. Well, never again. "Dubious" is the most friendly word i have for the one that is next to us. And: the car itself is priced at least 10-15k€ too high for what it is.

Post by snapplebobapple » Sun, Aug 17, 2025, 4:41 PM UTC

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We don't actually know how to build the CPU that would replace your vulnerable one. New CPUs are largely immune to the specific attacks that were published before they were designed. But we aren't gonna get a fast CPU without sidechannels and IMO it's not possible in theory to build a branch predictor that never makes potentially exploitable mispredictions. In a sense this doesn't change your point but I wanted to ta…

> IMO it's not possible in theory to build a branch predictor that never makes potentially exploitable mispredictions. I believe the Mill hardware design would be immune by design because the hardware is in-order (relying on other trickery for its performance). Of course, it's still vaporware, but the noises made have been fairly competent. So in some ways, yes, but in other ways, what if you didn't need a branch pre…