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Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by toast0 »

bestham wrote: post #38
flomo wrote: post #25

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This problem solved itself on my car because it only has a 3G modem.

On an adjacent theme there has been a large debate in Sweden if a car that has mandated automatic eCall over 2G or 3G is faulty and thus not roadworthy if the 2G and 3G networks are turned off. The eCall feature was introduced broadly in 2018. It still uses modem sounds over a voice phone call to relay car emergency status and position. New solutions for packet only networks (4g and 5G) have been standardised but are…

I had thought most of europe was keeping 2G service online. Too many deployed devices that are low traffic but expensive to replace modules on. Even if they had a 3g module, they'll fall back to 2g, so there's no sense in using spectrum for 2g and spectrum for 3g.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

gonzo41 wrote: post #11
zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

Consider an electric cargo bike if you're life will suite it.

> Consider an electric cargo bike if you're life will suite it.

Don't they have proprietary batteries? So you're out of luck at end-of-life if that company still isn't in business. And if a part fails are there replacements?

I'll give you the price is cheap. But if we're just looking for cheap then OP has nothing to worry about. There's cheap transportation in a variety of forms if you buy used.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

You're driving an old car now; you could just drive a different old car when that time comes.

But if you're talking about new cars, I think the best way to mitigate that is to buy something that is ubiquitous. The popular cars are the most likely to have enthusiasts finding ways to keep them running until the wheels fall off.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by bluGill »

rimunroe wrote: post #162
zevon wrote: post #87

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This is a bit of a two-edged sword. I kind of doubt that Carplay and Android Auto will keep working with new phones as long as a car can. At which point you will end up with an old smartphone in your car or some workaround like that.

Has this ever happened with CarPlay? As far as I know, even if your car was made in 2013 when CarPlay was first released it should continue to work just fine with the newest iPhones. If you plug the latest iPhone into your 2013 car, you would see the latest version of CarPlay pop up on the screen. I know there's a new version of CarPlay which requires support from the car maker, but I think CarPlay support is a binar…

I would hope so, but I don't trust computer makers.

There are people who still use cars made in the 1960s as their daily driver (probably only a handful in the US). Most parts are still available, and if not you can make them in your garage with affordable tools (metal lathes are rare but not unheard of in a home shop).

Apple switch to OSX, m68k to PPC to x86 (ARM is in progress). I had the first android phone - the apps I bought for it back then are not on installable on my current phone (most haven't very modified from what I ran back then). If I had a copy I could still run Office 97 on a modern windows 11 machine - or so I'm told - but nobody will know how to inter change files with me. My company has had to redesign perfectly good embedded controllers just because the chips are not made anymore.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by toast0 »

extraisland wrote: post #156
globular-toast wrote: post #56

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It's mandatory for cars to be manufactured with it, but obviously not for all cars to have it since the are many older cars on the road without it.

It maybe mandatory for it to be deemed roadworthy for a newer vehicle, but not required on an older vehicle. e.g. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-privat... > You must inspect all reversing lamps fitted to vehicles first used from 1 September 2009 other than quadricycles and three-wheeled vehicles. Older vehicles don't require a reverse light. My P-reg vehicle (1996?) didn't have a working revers…

2009, that's wild. Were there common cars without it, or did they just forget to require it cause everything had one anyway?

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by bluGill »

galangalalgol wrote: post #176
spdustin wrote: post #167

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CarPlay is essentially a conditional pair of video inputs. Any system that supports on-screen rear-view camera and that has a wheel speed sensor can support CarPlay.

Is wheel sppeed really the only car sensor exposed to the app? That is kind of sad.

What do you really need? Is the car moving forward or backward is the only one you can't figure out from GPS on the phone (this is possibly what they are getting from wheel speed - GPS speed is more accurate if you have a signal).

There are a lot of nice to haves of course. GPS does eat phone battery so better if the car can give you that. There is a lot of other car data that is interesting, why force plugging a OBDII dongle in to get DTCs, RPM, O2 sensor values, or whatever. However for car play to work at all it doesn't need anything more.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by Wistar »

Terr_ wrote: post #6
zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

I'm hopeful that stuff like Android Auto or Apple CarPlay will continue moving some of the risky obsolete-able complexity away of the giant expensive machine I plan to keep for over a decade (the car) and into smaller easier-to-replace ones (my smartphone.) A quick outline for those who haven't used them: The car's head-display becomes mostly-controlled by your phone, which is what supplies any navigation, music, pod…

GM, at least on their new Equinox EV, no longer supports either Apple CarPlay or Android Auto electing instead to provide only the Google built-in infotainment system and apps.

I discovered this just yesterday while researching the Equinox for a friend.

She is no longer interested in the Equinox despite her loving its looks.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by bluGill »

potato3732842 wrote: post #121
waste_monk wrote: post #70

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I thought the issue is more the batteries and weight distribution. That is, EVs usually have the batteries along the length of the chassis to spread the load out, which is not practical to retrofit onto an ICE car. And if you fill the engine bay on an ICE car with battery packs during the conversion, the weight distribution will be extremely uneven and cause trouble with the suspension and related components, poor ha…

>I thought the issue is more the batteries and weight distribution That's something spewed by people who don't know enough about cars to know they're chasing the wrong criteria. Battery placement is like a 2nd/3rd/4th order problem. You could fit a very respectably battery in the space where the fuel tank and exhaust go and if not there then the floor might just have to get a couple inches taller in the rear row. Not…

> You could fit a very respectably battery in the space where the fuel tank and exhaust go

You can fit some battery there, but liquid fuels have a much higher energy density and so I wouldn't call it respectable. I have know people who converted a car to electric, and finding places to stuff batteries was the major challenge, they did the fuel tank of course, but then went looking for any other unused empty space. In the 1980s old trucks were favored because under the bed there was a lot of empty space to work with (even then those old lead-acid batteries didn't give much range)

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by bluGill »

burnt_toast wrote: post #180
calvinmorrison wrote: post #135

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Lots of cars from the 90s and 2000s have obsolete tech that doesn't work like certain vintages of car phones

Car phones weren't common place and were typically only available in some higher end luxury cars. I wouldn't exactly call that lots of cars.

A minority of cars yes, but so many cars - even luxury cars were made that it still amounts to a lot of cars.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by bluGill »

MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #182
gonzo41 wrote: post #11

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Consider an electric cargo bike if you're life will suite it.

> Consider an electric cargo bike if you're life will suite it. Don't they have proprietary batteries? So you're out of luck at end-of-life if that company still isn't in business. And if a part fails are there replacements? I'll give you the price is cheap. But if we're just looking for cheap then OP has nothing to worry about. There's cheap transportation in a variety of forms if you buy used.

I ride such a bike, and I would no longer call it cheap - the range/speed is limited enough that I feel compelled to have a car anyway that just sits. I still have to pay taxes and insurance on that car, plus the yearly oil change (at least it is paid for). What with replacing the bike tires, chain, and cassette a lot more often than I expected I end up spending as much on bike maintenance and I would on gas and the other costs of the car are paid either way. If I could get rid of the car it would be cheaper, but otherwise no.

don't get me wrong - I encourage everyone to ride a bike where they can. However it is for health reasons not saving money.

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