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Claude Opus 4.1

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Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by pdntspa »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #95
AlecSchueler wrote: post #81

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I'm not sure what's complicated about what you're describing? They offer two models and you can pay more for higher usage limits, then you can choose if you want to run it in your browser or in your terminal. Like what else would you expect? Fwiw I have a Claude pro plan and have no interest in using other offerings so I'm not sure if they're super simple (one model, one interface, one pricing plan)?

When people post this stuff, it's like, are you also confused that Nike sells shoes AND shorts AND shirts, and there's different colors and skus for each article of clothing, and sometimes they sell direct to consumer and other times to stores and to universities, and also there's sales and promotions, etc, etc? It's almost as if companies sell more than one product. Why is this the top comment on so many threads abo…

Because few seem to want to expend the effort to dive in and understand something. Instead they want the details spoonfed to them by marketing or something.

I absolutely loathe this timeline we're stuck in.

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by rstupek »

avemg wrote: post #108
ryandrake wrote: post #100

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Interesting about the auto-completion. That was really the only Copilot feature I found to be useful. The idea of writing out an English prompt and telling Copilot what to write sounded (and still sounds) so slow and clunky. By the time I've articulated what I want it to do, I might as well have written the code myself. The auto-completion was at least a major time-saver. "The card game state is a structure that cont…

I think you should embrace a bit of ambiguity. Don't treat this like a stupid computer where you have to specify everything in minute detail. Certainly the more detail you give, the better to an extent. But really: Treat it like you're talking to a colleague and give it a shot. You don't have to get it right on the first prompt. You see what it did and you give it further instructions. Autocomplete is the least compe…

Is Opus as big a leap as sonnet4 was?

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by [deleted] »

ryandrake wrote: post #109
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When people post this stuff, it's like, are you also confused that Nike sells shoes AND shorts AND shirts, and there's different colors and skus for each article of clothing, and sometimes they sell direct to consumer and other times to stores and to universities, and also there's sales and promotions, etc, etc? It's almost as if companies sell more than one product. Why is this the top comment on so many threads abo…

Hey, I'm open to the idea that I'm just stupid. But, if people in your target market (software developers) don't even understand your product line and need a HOWTO+glossary to figure it out, maybe there's also a branding/messaging/onboarding problem?

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Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by DougBTX »

ryandrake wrote: post #109
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When people post this stuff, it's like, are you also confused that Nike sells shoes AND shorts AND shirts, and there's different colors and skus for each article of clothing, and sometimes they sell direct to consumer and other times to stores and to universities, and also there's sales and promotions, etc, etc? It's almost as if companies sell more than one product. Why is this the top comment on so many threads abo…

Hey, I'm open to the idea that I'm just stupid. But, if people in your target market (software developers) don't even understand your product line and need a HOWTO+glossary to figure it out, maybe there's also a branding/messaging/onboarding problem?

My hot take is that your friend should show you what they’re using, not just dismiss Copilot and leave you hanging!

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by robluxus »

ryandrake wrote: post #60

Am I the only one super confused about how to even get started trying out this stuff? Just so I wouldn't be "that critic who doesn't try the stuff he criticizes," I tried GitHub Copilot and was kind of not very impressed. Someone on HN told me Copilot sucks, use Claude. But I have no idea what the right way to do it is because there are so many paths to choose. Let's see: we have Claude Code vs. Claude the API vs. Cl…

> I just want to putz around with something in VSCode for a few hours!

I just googled "using claude from vscode" and the first page had a link that brought me to anthropic's step by step guide on how to set this up exactly.

Why care about pricing and product names and UI until it's a problem?

> Someone on HN told me Copilot sucks, use Claude.

I concur, but I'm also just a dude saying some stuff on HN :)

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by kroaton »

djha-skin wrote: post #150

Opus 4(.1) is so expensive[1]. Even Sonnet[2] costs me $5 per hour (basically) using OpenRouter + Codename Goose[3]. The crazy thing is Sonnet 3.5 costs the same thing [4] right now. Gemini Flash is more reasonable[5], but always seems to make the wrong decisions in the end, spinning in circles. OpenAI is better, but still falls short of Claude's performance. Claude also gives back 400's from its API if you CTRL-C in…

GLM 4.5 / Kimi K2 / Qwen Coder 3 / Gemini Pro 2.5

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by bavell »

tgtweak wrote: post #160
generalizations wrote: post #154

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Get a subscription and use claude code - that's how you get actual reasonable economics out of it. I use claude code all day on the max subscription and maybe twice in the last two weeks have I actually hit usage limits.

Is it considerably more cost effective than cline+sonnet api calls with caching and diff edits? Same context length and throughput limits? Anecdotally I find gpt4.1 (and mini) were pretty good at those agentic programming tasks but the lack of token caching made the costs blow up with long context.

I'm on the basic $20/mo sub and only ran into token cap limitations in the first few days of using Claude Code (now 2-3 weeks in) before I started being more aggressive about clearing the context. Long contexts will eat up tokens caps quickly when you are having extended back-and-forth conversations with the model. Otherwise, it's been effectively "unlimited" for my own use.

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by AlecSchueler »

taormina wrote: post #48

Alright, well, Opus 4.1 seems exactly as useless as Opus 4 was, but it's probably eating my tokens faster. Wish they let you tell somehow. At least Sonnet 4 is still usable, but I'll be honest, it's been producing worse and worse slob all day. I've basically wasted the morning on Claude Code when I should've just been doing it all myself.

I've also noticed Sonnet starting to degrade. It's developing some of the behaviours that put me off the competition in the first place. Needless explanations, filler in responses, wanting to put everything in lists, even increased sycophancy.

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by zaphirplane »

ryandrake wrote: post #60

Am I the only one super confused about how to even get started trying out this stuff? Just so I wouldn't be "that critic who doesn't try the stuff he criticizes," I tried GitHub Copilot and was kind of not very impressed. Someone on HN told me Copilot sucks, use Claude. But I have no idea what the right way to do it is because there are so many paths to choose. Let's see: we have Claude Code vs. Claude the API vs. Cl…

try asking it ?

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by bavell »

taormina wrote: post #48

Alright, well, Opus 4.1 seems exactly as useless as Opus 4 was, but it's probably eating my tokens faster. Wish they let you tell somehow. At least Sonnet 4 is still usable, but I'll be honest, it's been producing worse and worse slob all day. I've basically wasted the morning on Claude Code when I should've just been doing it all myself.

> I've basically wasted the morning on Claude Code when I should've just been doing it all myself.

Welcome to the machine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBvAxSx0nAM&t=45s

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