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Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by TehShrike »

tiagod wrote: post #24

I took a look at the linked block list[0]. There's a lot of junk in it, but I'm also seeing a lot of sites that have, in my opinion, pretty decent content. My approach with Kagi is just to block SEO spam when it shows up in my results, but I don't think good SEO means it's a bad site with no useful results. [0] https://paste.flamedfury.com/flamedfury-kagi-block-list

I had the same reaction – his list includes washingtonpost.com, amazon.com, alternativeto.net, medium.com, twitter.com, msn.com, etc.

He dumped his entire blocklist, which must include a bunch of sites that he finds personally annoying.

Here is the list of domains owned by the 16 companies discussed in the post that he linked to: https://codeberg.org/bbbhltz/16CompaniesFilters/src/branch/m...

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by junon »

MostlyStable wrote: post #139
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #89

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It's hard to compare accuracy, but Kagi Translate provides so many knobs to tune compared to Google (formality, gender) and provides more translations... it's just a fantastic product. Maybe even more better than Google Translate than Kagi Search is than Google Search.

I've been learning German and, among other tools (dictionaries, LLMs, etc), I often use google translate for a sentence or two. I have _constantly_ been frustrated at the inability, when going from English to German, to force it to use a particular gender or formality level. I'm willing to give up at least some accuracy to get those knobs. This is an immediate switch for me.

Not trying to shill LLMs but learning German is way easier with them. I've ditched Google translate for everything but simple word translations.

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Post by ujkhsjkdhf234 »

rustcleaner wrote: post #173
throw123xz wrote: post #97

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Not a bad solution if you're looking for things that are usually removed from results in the west, eg, torrents and stuff like that.

So streaming didn't kill the warez scene, it just got massively shadowbanned?

Yes and no. Because of aggressive action from IP holders a lot of these sites went underground and deliberately aren't indexed in the US and EU but providers from Russia or Switzerland got shadowbanned.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by [deleted] »

GoatInGrey wrote: post #125
freediver wrote: post #85

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Kagi founder here. I notice you bring this up consistently in Kagi discussions. A search engine's job is to deliver the best possible results. We evaluate API sources on search quality, not geopolitics. Yandex represents 2% of our costs but contributes meaningfully to search quality - removing it would harm all users while having minimal economic impact. We've used their API since 2019 and evaluate all sources purely…

I cancelled my kagi subscription upon seeing this response. I donate to Ukraine to defend itself from Russia. I lost a family member to Russian artillery as well while providing medical aid to civilians. I very much do not want my dollars to fund the very thing that my donations are intended to defend against. I'm going to assume you run a similar policy with Chinese search providers. After seeing Chinese warships of…

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Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by patrickscoleman »

karaterobot wrote: post #108

Search engines are getting squeezed out by AI for me. Kagi's search results are less polluted by SEO trash than Google, but there's still a non-zero amount of it. When I try to answer a question using Kagi (or any search engine these days) I end up feeling frustrated: there's so much information, and none of it is useful. On the other hand, ChatGPT filters all SEO spam out for me, and typically does a decent job of a…

Ads are coming to ChatGPT too at some point [1]. Agree that ChatGPT has less spam than Google for now, but this won't always be the case.

There are ChatGPT alternatives too (including Kagi's), so AI may end up taking a lot of search market share, but I still find myself searching most of the time. I've had enough hallucinations to still prefer searching for and reading primary sources. As always I keep monitoring and trying new things.

[1] https://mashable.com/article/openai-ceo-sam-altman-open-to-a...

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by ujkhsjkdhf234 »

ffsm8 wrote: post #151
GoatInGrey wrote: post #125

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I cancelled my kagi subscription upon seeing this response. I donate to Ukraine to defend itself from Russia. I lost a family member to Russian artillery as well while providing medical aid to civilians. I very much do not want my dollars to fund the very thing that my donations are intended to defend against. I'm going to assume you run a similar policy with Chinese search providers. After seeing Chinese warships of…

I take it you don't use any phones, especially no apple products then, right? After all, apples gigantic sponsorship of the Chinese government is well covered at this point. Clothing is also a no-no, right? After all, there is *literally no way to purchase clothing from any store that hasn't been produced - in part - by effective slave labor and Chinese machinery. Really, consumer boycott of nations is infeasible in…

This is a silly argument. Clothing is not optional; Kagi is. They are deciding to go without an optional good because they don't like what they spend their money on. I applaud them for it and I like Kagi.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by mulmen »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #41
xnx wrote: post #11

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> the search results are as good as or better than Google, and I don't have to scroll through an increasing number of misleading ads to see them. It's been a long time since I've clicked a search result or seen an ad. Google usually has what I need right on the page and uBlock removes the ads.

I know I'm probably speaking to the choir but reports like this always make me sad. The internet and the webpages that filled it used to be so cool . Now its just like three websites that are only really judged by how useful they are to us.

Cool sites are still out there. They never went away. Google search isn’t the web.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by freediver »

seabass wrote: post #141
freediver wrote: post #107

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That is unusual. Have you tried reaching out to support@kagi.com ?

Yep, they had me check my proximity to the nearest Google Cloud region. The ping was ~30ms, so that was pretty unlikely to be the cause. In my screen recordings that compared the exact same searches, despite the low ping, Kagi results wouldn’t appear for around 2s. A search I did just now shows “39 relevant results in 1.7s”. Otoh with Google it feels instant—0.29s for that same search. With their support team we neve…

Please reach out to me at vlad@kagi.com and we'll set you up on an account (on us) and I'll personally get involved to see what is happening. Most our searches complete in less than 1000ms. We do dig much deeper than Google though, and we more often than not place what you are looking for in the top 3 results - and that has to count for something too.
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