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Re: How I Use Kagi

#101

Post by al_borland »

J_McQuade wrote: post #4

I always feel really grotty about evangelising for products, but I switched to Kagi about six months ago and it really is a better experience. In almost all cases, the search results are as good as or better than Google, and I don't have to scroll through an increasing number of misleading ads to see them. I'm a happy customer. When I first switched, I would often click the button to run the search on google for quer…

I had a similar experience. When using DDG my results were never very good and I’d always end up using !g to throw the search to Google. With Kagi, when I checked other engines it would come up empty as well. On more than one occasion I was on an outage call at work where there were many people using Google to find an answer (for hours), and I joined and did a quick search in Kagi and found the answer.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by bbor »

blitzpoet wrote: post #73

DDG has been solid for me, and I rarely use g! anymore. I certainly can find better things to do with a hundred dollars than spend it on something I don't need and that other services do just as well for free.

How much money do you spend per year that you wouldn't otherwise due to brand advertisements? Answer: you'll insist it's 0, but it's impossible to know.

How much money do you spend per year that you wouldn't otherwise due to clicking one of the first few links and paying more for some service, often without realizing it's an ad? Again, the answer is that it's impossible to say.

Google is commonly said to own a "money-printing machine" on here. How can they print all that money without extracting any from you?

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by inquirerGeneral »

terribleperson wrote: post #86
metasaval wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no Google apologist (I use ecosia personally), but did you try using searching in quotes? That should force the search to only find specifically your query directly as spelled. Just curious if you did try it and there was still that "fuzziness."

Google overrides quotes whenever it feels like nowadays. Has for a few years.

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Re: How I Use Kagi

#104

Post by lukan »

jwr wrote: post #81
unclad5968 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you personally sanction all countries that commit atrocities or is it specific to Russia? I don't care what you do or don't support with your money, but I'm genuinely curious about the mindset.

Let's assume the question has been asked in good faith. Yes, I actually do. And I lose money because of that, significant amounts, because I run a SaaS, where I (as an example) stopped service to all customers from Russia when the full invasion of Ukraine started. So it's not just about not paying, it's about refusing money as well. It's easy to fall into the "whataboutism" trap and do nothing, because one can always…

"I do not accept simply doing nothing."

You can also donate to the Ukrainian army directly. Or to amnesty international. Or a tons of other options instead of collective punishment. What is the ordinary russian against the war supposed to do? They don't even have a real option of leaving the country as most other states don't want them because they are russian.

In my opinion this helps Putin in his propaganda that the west just hates russia.

Re: How I Use Kagi

#105

Post by 7373737373 »

lostlogin wrote: post #35
mossTechnician wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi is still partnered with Yandex[0], but they removed a list of sources they used. When asked if the list could be restored, Vladimir Prelovac replied "Is there any particular reason you are asking for this? More context will help us better understand the need."[1] [0]: https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio... [1]: https://kagifeedback.org/d/252-show-source-of-results/49

Good links. Him making out that hiding it is to help users is a bit gross.

They would rather live in a world where they can find everything, including 2℅ atrocities they indirectly fund, than not

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by joshuaturner »

anon7000 wrote: post #95
joshuaturner wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a great look. Even if you somehow believe partnering with Yandex is justifiable, you should stand by the decision. My annual plan with Kagi renews in a few months and it might be time to look for alternatives.

They do stand by it: https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

Removing a previously public list of sources after being pressed on their integration with Yandex gives me a different impression.

Re: How I Use Kagi

#107

Post by freediver »

seabass wrote: post #52

I tried to give Kagi a fair shot by using it for a few months. I loved a lot of features, especially the boost/block lists. But I always felt the responses were way too slow for something I use that much. I benchmarked a handful of queries and confirmed they were consistently ~3x slower than Google for normal searches and 5-10x slower for image searches on my home network. I’m sure there are many factors that play in…

That is unusual. Have you tried reaching out to support@kagi.com ?

Re: How I Use Kagi

#108

Post by karaterobot »

Search engines are getting squeezed out by AI for me.

Kagi's search results are less polluted by SEO trash than Google, but there's still a non-zero amount of it. When I try to answer a question using Kagi (or any search engine these days) I end up feeling frustrated: there's so much information, and none of it is useful.

On the other hand, ChatGPT filters all SEO spam out for me, and typically does a decent job of answering my questions. I can follow the references it provides in its answer to verify what it says, and also learn more from external websites. It's a better user experience, with a better success rate for me.

Looking at my Kagi usage stats, I guess I'm not actually using it less from month to month (which I would have guessed I was). But, subjectively it still feels like I'm depending on it less for finding information on the web. I've given up on it for a lot of use cases, or it's no longer my first choice. I think my main use case is bang operators at this point, and that's where the numbers come from.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by margalabargala »

lukan wrote: post #94
margalabargala wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not possible for any one person to maintain 100% awareness of the entire planet, nor is it feasible for most people to simply live in the woods as a hunter-gatherer and take nothing from others who might do wrong elsewhere. Once we accept that each of us is a human rather than a morally perfect literal supernatural angel, each of us must decide: If we cannot sanction all wrongdoers, does that mean we sanction n…

But you don't sanction the country directly, but any company that may or may not support the war in Ukraine. To me that seems incredibly unfair to normal russian people(who still exists) while still buying oil from saudi arabia for example. Ask Kashoggi about it. Or any of those other poor bastards that got rid of without anyone caring about them. In general, collective punishment is maybe not the way to improve the…

Well, here we're discussing Yandex, there's no "may or may not" about that one: https://www.zois-berlin.de/en/publications/zois-spotlight/th...

> To me that seems incredibly unfair to normal russian people

Life's not fair. Among the unfairness experienced by a median Russian citizen, a random American's disinterest in supporting Yandex is probably low on their list.

> In general, collective punishment is maybe not the way to improve the world I think. But targeted action or boycott.

Sure. And again, here we are discussing the targeted action of boycotting Yandex and other corporations that are economic arms of the Russian government.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by baggachipz »

ekojs wrote: post #32

Maybe not a popular sentiment here on HN but I cancelled my Kagi subscription (9+ months) just recently. Increasingly, most of my queries/search have been through LLMs and Google search is just fine (and even better for restaurants, places, and the like). I don't think the improved search experience is worth the subscription anymore.

In Kagi, you can just ad a "?" to your query and get an instant answer, a la LLMs.
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