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Bad Actors Are Grooming LLMs to Produce Falsehoods

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Re: Bad Actors Are Grooming LLMs to Produce Falsehoods

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post #23

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People seem to be voting this down as it seems like political advocacy, but the point seems to be that the commonly accepted truth does indeed change.

> the point seems to be that the commonly accepted truth does indeed change. As it should when new evidence comes to light to justify it. Ideally, the tools we use would keep up along with those changes while transparently preserving the history and causes of them.

Perhaps that's the tragedy though. At least in the U.S. plenty of people seem unwilling to change their "truth" when new evidence comes to light. When there are actors that seek to make everything political it also makes everything then "tribal".

I think people are more willing to adjust their views as new evidence suggests as long as they never dug their heels in in the first place.

Re: Bad Actors Are Grooming LLMs to Produce Falsehoods

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If there's one underlying axiom of western thought it is "question everything." So no, not really.

> If there's one underlying axiom of western thought it is "question everything."

I don't believe this, even for a second.

How are those that truly do question everything treated?

Well, as either looney conspiracy theorists, or vindicated activists, depending on when the official State narrative (or classification status) changes.

Not always, or even often unjustified, but I hardly think you can call it an "underlying axiom of western thought" with the extreme negative public sentiment towards it.

Re: Bad Actors Are Grooming LLMs to Produce Falsehoods

#185
post #62

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Before the bubble does pop, which I think is inevitable, there will be many stories like this one, and a lot of people will be scammed, manipulated, and harmed. It might take years until the general consensus is negative about the effects of these tools. All while the wealthy and powerful continue to reap the benefits, while those on slightly lower rungs fight to take their place. And even if the public perception sh…

> It might take years until the general consensus is negative about the effects of these tools. The only thing I'm seeing offline are people who already think AI is trash, untrustworthy, and harmful, while also occasionally being convenient when the stakes are extremely low (random search results mostly) or as a fun toy ("Look I'm a ghibli character!") I don't think it'll take long for the masses to sour to AI and th…

Counter data point — my surroundings use ChatGPT basically for anything and say it’s good enough.

Re: Bad Actors Are Grooming LLMs to Produce Falsehoods

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Philosophical ramblings are irrelevant when it comes to international law.

International law is irrelevant when it comes to people's perception of truth.

So the only truth is people's perception of truth?

Re: Bad Actors Are Grooming LLMs to Produce Falsehoods

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International law is irrelevant when it comes to people's perception of truth.

So the only truth is people's perception of truth?

Yes. As humans are inherently ideological and subjective beings, that is all we will ever have.

Re: Bad Actors Are Grooming LLMs to Produce Falsehoods

#189
post #9

If actions by these bad actors accelerate the rate at which people lose trust in these systems and lead to the AI bubble popping faster then they have my full support. The entire space is just bad actors complaining about other bad actors while they're collectively ruining the web for everyone, each in their own way.

The thing is: who benefits from a loss of trust in systems? The answer, inevitably, is those for whom the system was a problem. The fewer places people can trust for accurate information, the more disinformation wins.
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