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BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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Most of the people here aren't biochemists, hence q "biochemistry = scary untouchable magic" POV. But for those that have done the chemistry in a university setting before and gone on to being professionals in the field, know the plant-based history of the field, as well as the history of synthesizing "stuff" and ingesting it, by certain individuals in the field. it's important to get the chemistry right, but if you…

My college chemistry professor said never to ingest anything made in a lab. Thus far, I have followed this rule and I have been fine, not that I have been around any chemistry labs since college. A chemist broke this rule on YouTube by turning styrofoam into cinnamon candy that he ate himself, but he went through an extreme amount of effort to make it safe: https://youtu.be/zMaTrgUKC1w

Yeah! I love NileRed (and blue). To be clear, it's not safe for someone without a lot of training to ingest a chemistry project and even then. Hopefully it didn't read like I was endorsing anyone to do so. Just that there's a history of that which we've walked away from (for good reason!) and that we wouldn't be here without some brave chemists to do the insane thing.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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Sounds like my artisinal Certificate Authority, all signatures are hand multiplied by human computers!

Do you use lava lamps to generate your random numbers?

Too hard for humans. 16-sided dice and dice towers.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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The question if there is such a thing as “truth” (an universally true statement) is probably the hardest philosophical problem in humanities history- of course that is not what we were discussing and for that reason your argument here is also in bad faith

I don't see why the nature of truth is relevant here, unless you are claiming that we can't make deductive arguments about anything ever (I never used the word "truth" in my comment anyway). Also, constant accusations of "bad faith", i.e. dishonesty, are poor debate etiquette and just give the impression that you have no point to make on the object level.

My point was that when one talks about examples of hand-made, artisan tools __microchips__ are not a good example for a handcrafted tool.

I don’t get why that is so controversial. Microchips are definitely not what I have in mind when I talk about a “tool” at all.

You say that this is a good enough example to completely refute the OPs point which I disagree with.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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A lot of people miss the fact that this is more art project than practical solution. It’s meant to make a statement, but they have cherry-picked some extremely simple drugs to synthesize to make their point. I have some online friends who met through a forum for their rare condition. The forum they’re in had a splinter group dedicated to getting companies in China to synthesize experimental drugs for them that they c…

The story probably has two sides, as you mention. However, I think everyone should be in charge of their own decisions, including taking not approved drugs, without being considered criminals or similar, under their strict own responsibility.

Taking? Yes. It's the selling and marketing that's the social disaster, see the opiates scandal.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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It would have an effect, but that effect is not the puberty of the opposite sex. This would be an impossible outcome. You are male. If you took estrogen - either now, or as a child - you would not begin to menstruate, you would not experience changes to the vaginal surface, you would not start to ovulate, and so on. Female puberty is a developmental process that only applies to those who are female.

This is one of those moments where the person you are talking to says something like “I don’t have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.” I am sure it happens a lot.

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Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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A lot of people miss the fact that this is more art project than practical solution. It’s meant to make a statement, but they have cherry-picked some extremely simple drugs to synthesize to make their point. I have some online friends who met through a forum for their rare condition. The forum they’re in had a splinter group dedicated to getting companies in China to synthesize experimental drugs for them that they c…

Contacts for reliable contract synthesis labs in China are kind of a closely held secret. Before the 2017 “general ban” on psychoactive substances in the UK there was a thriving industry where “entrepreneurs” with the contacts for such labs would hire chemists to find them a new candidate analogue/derivative of say, a stimulant or hallucinogen or whatever, knock together a synthesis route, see if it works, and then h…

> The same “trade” carries on in some other European countries to this day, with “new” LSD derivatives cropping up every few months when one is invariably banned.

AFAIU those were all made by Lizard Labs

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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post #168

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It would have an effect, but that effect is not the puberty of the opposite sex. This would be an impossible outcome. You are male. If you took estrogen - either now, or as a child - you would not begin to menstruate, you would not experience changes to the vaginal surface, you would not start to ovulate, and so on. Female puberty is a developmental process that only applies to those who are female.

This is one of those moments where the person you are talking to says something like “I don’t have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.” I am sure it happens a lot.

Always interesting to see when discussions end in an ad hominem.

I guess it is very hard to refute 4th grade biology.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would have an effect, but that effect is not the puberty of the opposite sex. This would be an impossible outcome. You are male. If you took estrogen - either now, or as a child - you would not begin to menstruate, you would not experience changes to the vaginal surface, you would not start to ovulate, and so on. Female puberty is a developmental process that only applies to those who are female.

This is one of those moments where the person you are talking to says something like “I don’t have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.” I am sure it happens a lot.

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Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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post #184

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The story probably has two sides, as you mention. However, I think everyone should be in charge of their own decisions, including taking not approved drugs, without being considered criminals or similar, under their strict own responsibility.

Taking? Yes. It's the selling and marketing that's the social disaster, see the opiates scandal.

As long as that marketing is not misleading and the contract is clear, with all dangers exposed, it should also be legal IMHO.

What should not be legal is fooling someone into taking something without knowing its consequences for the potential harm produced.

The rest should be ok.

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