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Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by latexr »

bee_rider wrote: post #158
latexr wrote: post #139

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> They aren’t strawmanning your argument, right? They are strawmanning the argument against it. Yes, that’s the impression I got out of it too. I disapprove either way. I’d sooner defend a good argument against my point than a bad argument in favour of it. I come to HN for reasoned, thoughtful, curious discussion.

I think what has happened (and I’ve been hit by this in the past, it is very annoying) is: You included the bit in the beginning about being generally skeptical of AI art in some forms to signal that you are somebody with a nuanced opinion, who believes that the thing can be bad at times. Then, you go on to describe that this isn’t one of those times. Unfortunately, this gets you some comments that want to disagree w…

I think this is a great comment and that you absolutely nailed it. It’s a shame that it’s now buried under a flagged response, but still I wanted to make sure you knew (since it was directed at me) that I read it and appreciated it.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by jetbalsa »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #59
porphyra wrote: post #33

I find that Adobe is really pulling away from open source software with all this AI stuff. A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable could do almost everything that Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom could, albeit with a jankier user interface. But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation.

> A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable To a Linux user, yes. To a professional, it was always a cruel joke, it was never close, even a few years ago. It's like saying Notepad++ is a functional IDE, or Kdenlive is a functional replacement for DaVinci Resolve. I cannot stress this enough: Actual professionals do not think GIMP is a viable replacement, in any way, and never have.

GIMP did spawn one kinda good thing, GTK was made because Peter Mattis disliked Motif and wrote a replacement and called it the GIMP toolkit

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by DowagerDave »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #177
dmurray wrote: post #152

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I would interpret it that they're getting the same push from Wall Street and the same investor-hype-driven product leadership as every other tech firm, but this time they have the good fortune to specialize in one of the few verticals (image editing) where generative AI currently has superhuman performance. This is a testable claim: where were Adobe in previous hype cycles? Googles "Adobe Blockchain"...looks like the…

The article says clearly there's no guarantee this feature will be released. Which I'm reading as "Demo-ready, but far from production-ready." Somewhat relevant: my experience with Photoshop's Generative Fill has been underwhelming. Sometimes it's wrong, often it's comically wrong. I haven't had many easy wins with it. IMO this is a company that doodles with code for its own entertainment, not a company that innovate…

you don't need to release to production for real value. I'm under intense pressure to scope out frothy AI features because just discussing them with prospects has a material impact on the costs of the sales funnel.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by coliveira »

crazygringo wrote: post #85
coliveira wrote: post #82

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So it's ok for all of us to become lab rats for these companies?

Every consumer is a "lab rat" for every company at all times, if that's how you want to think about it. Each of our decisions to buy or not buy a product, to use or not use a feature, influences the future design of our products. And thank goodness, because that's the process by which products improve. It's capitalism at work. Mature technologies don't need as much experimentation because they're mature. But whenever…

You might be ok with being a lab rat, but most people are not. People buy products to satisfy their needs, not to participate in somebody else's experiment. Given the option (in the absence of monopoly) they will search for another company that treats them correctly.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by dagmx »

porphyra wrote: post #33

I find that Adobe is really pulling away from open source software with all this AI stuff. A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable could do almost everything that Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom could, albeit with a jankier user interface. But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation.

With all due respect there’s never been a time when that could have legitimately been argued unless someone was doing relatively basic things with those apps or was a hobbyist.

There’s always been a significant gap in capabilities once you looked past the surface.

I find this sentiment is common among FOSS advocates who don’t actually professionally use those tools.

I am definitely an advocate for free tools closing that gap, but I both design content professionally and contribute to OSS projects to close that gap. So I feel quite confident in saying that gap has always been large when compared to the Adobe suite.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by dagmx »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #136
porphyra wrote: post #33

I find that Adobe is really pulling away from open source software with all this AI stuff. A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable could do almost everything that Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom could, albeit with a jankier user interface. But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation.

Can't speak for PS vs GIMP but I used to use Illustrator a fair bit and Inkscape was nowhere near it in terms of both features and useability. Now that was 15 years ago, so it may have caught up.

You are correct even today. Inkscape is great but it’s a fraction of the utility that Illustrator offers.

The only people who would actually equate them are people not professionally using these tools everyday.

Even paid apps like affinity designer are a fraction of the functionality of Illustrator.

Again, a great product but people are just dead wrong if they compare them as an absolute.

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Post by vunderba »

NeroVanbierv wrote: post #73
CapsAdmin wrote: post #62

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In some way, having followed the open source image generation scene for a while, it feels a little bit like it's opposite? Most of the ai image generation stuff I've seen from adobe feels late to party in terms of what you can do with open source tools. Where they do compete however is with tight integration, and I guess that's what matters the most to users in the end. There are plugins for gimp that let you do imag…

I think your last paragraph sums it up pretty nicely: users need a good UX to get to these tools. So I would love if GIMP started shipping these awesome plugins by default to pick up the pace!

IMHO Krita has really become the cross platform open source darling for graphic editors. There are some things that are unintuitive but it's leagues better than GIMP.

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Post by TheKarateKid »

Waterluvian wrote: post #104
NeroVanbierv wrote: post #73

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I think your last paragraph sums it up pretty nicely: users need a good UX to get to these tools. So I would love if GIMP started shipping these awesome plugins by default to pick up the pace!

The more I spend time as a software developer, the more strongly I believe that UX is 80% of what makes a tool good, and that a lot of programmers really just don’t get that.

Thank you!! I pay for Office 365 to use desktop Word even though I'm a very basic user of it. I'm well aware that LibreOffice exists and serves most of my needs, and that Word Online and Google Docs could serve my needs. But they're all so horribly inferior to the classic Word interface that I choose to pay for it.

And as we all know, this is why the iPhone has been so successful despite bringing Android-like features years after they were launched.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by dishsoap »

fooker wrote: post #50
alexashka wrote: post #47

People have been using 3D models for 2D graphics for at least a decade. 3D models rotate, by default. This demo shows generating a 3D model from a simple 2D shape. It'll fall flat on its face trying to 3D model anything non-trivial which begs the question - who cares? Also, you'll want to animate the 3D model - which this doesn't do, so you'll soon be back to your usual 3D toolkit anyway.

The difference is that you don't need a 3D model for this. You start with 2D vector graphics that is significantly easier to create.

Yes, and the OP did acknowledge as much.
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