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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by infecto »

kelnos wrote: post #67
LargeWu wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-Tesla EV owner, I would happily pay surcharges for charging on Tesla's network if it meant I could reliably use my vehicle on extended trips out of town. Tesla charging network has a very good reputation for reliability, which is a primary concern if I'm traveling on the highway. It's not something I do often, so paying a premium once in a while to use my EV instead of my ICE vehicle seems like a decent trad…

Ugh, please don't take this stance. Gas stations don't charge different amounts for gas depending on the type of car, and EV charging stations shouldn't be permitted to do so either. I don't have an EV, but I agree that Tesla has a much much better reputation for reliable, working charging stations in the US. If people will actually pay more for that experience, then sure, Tesla can charge more than a competing charg…

I’m not so sure. One of Tesla’s big selling points is access to its charging network, which is a night-and-day difference from others. If Tesla is subsidizing that network but not raising prices for its own vehicles, it makes sense to charge non-Tesla vehicles a higher rate. It’s similar to how I get a significant discount on gas at Costco because I’m a member, while non-members pay more at the station across the street.

How can you have such a strong opinion when you don’t even own an EV?

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

NewJazz wrote: post #116
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #93

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I barely drive these days since WFH. But when I do more than go get groceries or school drop off, it's for a 7-10 hour drive for a ski trip to Vermont or Quebec. Which would have to involve fast chargers. Granted, I could probably just drive my wife's Outlander PHEV in that case. But seeing as she just totaled my Volt...

Honestly in your situation I'd wait it out and try to work with one car. The new Ioniq 5 models will have NACS, and plenty of other good things to look forward to for other cars.

yeah we live rural with two teens, so no car isn't much of an option but I'm thinking I'll just buy a cheap used ICE to tide me over until interest rates drop and I can save some $$ and go buy a new EV :-(

had my eye on a used polestar 2 or mustang mach-e, but not sure I can justify debt for that

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by ponector »

mattmaroon wrote: post #130
kristopolous wrote: post #121

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But globally it's not a single standard. I believe with NACS, the US once again, sits alone, like it does so often. Basically every other country is doing CCS, the US was deploying CCS but then the government said "nah, let's go with this other one". I remember when I saw companies switching to it, I seemed to be the only person who thought it was a bad idea. On the side of International Standardization it's me, a co…

What do we need it for? Are you driving your car across the Atlantic? We don’t have an international standard for what side of the road to drive on. Being something you practically always don’t take with you when you travel, as long as we’re standardized by continent what would even be the benefit?

You will be surprised how many used US cars are exported overseas.

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Post by mschuster91 »

Aromasin wrote: post #161
jessriedel wrote: post #142

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> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers unless they clean house on everything software related. Legacy American car companies have been fully non-competitive with foreign brands for decades. Their continued existence is completely due to tariffs, and it’s not close. I see no reason to think congress would suddenly allow them to be threa…

For those who aren't aware it's a 25% tarrif, so most manufacturers don't bother even trying to sell in the US. That's why almost all European/Japanese brand cars are 30+ years old over there. I find it entertaining when my US colleague come visit and are amazed at all the options. I drive a new Toyota Hilux, and they weren't even aware they made them anymore. For a country that once prided itself on being the land o…

> For those who aren't aware it's a 25% tarrif, so most manufacturers don't bother even trying to sell in the US. That's why almost all European/Japanese brand cars are 30+ years old over there.

BMW has a 23.000-employee plant in South Carolina that produces X model SUVs for the entire world [1]. Volkswagen has an even larger presence [2]. No tariffs apply on these.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_in_the_United_States

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_of_America

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by sandworm101 »

modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

>> The required apps are unreliable and annoying.

The requirement of an app to fuel a car is ridiculous and is one of the largest barriers for many people. Too much of our lives are already dependent on our phones. The idea that any random issue with my phone will then cause my car to not work ... that is just unacceptable. This is why airplanes don't have keys, let alone apps.

(My secure work phone is currently bricked due to an issue with my email address being moving between departments. That sort of thing is why I would never trust a phone for vital things like fueling a vehicle.)

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by mschuster91 »

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #179
Aromasin wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those who aren't aware it's a 25% tarrif, so most manufacturers don't bother even trying to sell in the US. That's why almost all European/Japanese brand cars are 30+ years old over there. I find it entertaining when my US colleague come visit and are amazed at all the options. I drive a new Toyota Hilux, and they weren't even aware they made them anymore. For a country that once prided itself on being the land o…

We haven't been the land of the free in a while, but we repeat it enough and then keep electing the uniparty in to keep it moving. Itjumped significantly when the Federal Reserve was founded, backed by a national and originally-unconstitutional unapportioned direct income tax to feed it money. DC suddenly had a way to tax anyone and everyone without repercussions. Then FDR played with fascism and instituted many new…

> Then FDR played with fascism

That's a gross misrepresentation of history. Politically, FDR can be most fittingly described as "European-style Social Democrat". He was not "playing with fascism", he literally was the President during the war against the literal fascists in Europe.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by bmelton »

mschuster91 wrote: post #186
ThunderSizzle wrote: post #179

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We haven't been the land of the free in a while, but we repeat it enough and then keep electing the uniparty in to keep it moving. Itjumped significantly when the Federal Reserve was founded, backed by a national and originally-unconstitutional unapportioned direct income tax to feed it money. DC suddenly had a way to tax anyone and everyone without repercussions. Then FDR played with fascism and instituted many new…

> Then FDR played with fascism That's a gross misrepresentation of history. Politically, FDR can be most fittingly described as "European-style Social Democrat". He was not "playing with fascism", he literally was the President during the war against the literal fascists in Europe.

Fascists can fight wars with other fascists, so that's not a counter to the argument.

I think it's a debatable point, but if I were to steelman the argument, LBJ significantly expanded federal authority through his Great Society programs, concentrated control at the expense of federalism, massively expanded the surveillance state to target civil rights leaders and anti-war activists, and advanced an aggressive foreign policy through military action.

Meanwhile, he was glad-handing Congress to exert stronger, central control over the government.

I'd be hard pressed to call any one of those actions fascistic, but if you believe that any parts of modern America are, then those greased the wheels to them. Certainly seems enough to have justified the descriptor of 'flirting with' imo

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by pornel »

zelos wrote: post #164
jasoncartwright wrote: post #157

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This situation sounds like Europe (& the UK) two or three years ago. Plentiful well maintained, fast and convenient chargers have sprung up since from a wide variety of operators (electricity companies, oil companies, startups, plus Tesla). We standardised on CCS a while ago. Many chargers are even faster than Tesla Superchargers whilst supporting the plug-and-charge standard ISO 15118. They are often surprisingly ch…

I was surprised just how good charger provision is in Europe. On a recent 1600 mile road trip we never had a problem finding 350kW chargers. There were always plenty of spaces free and I saw one broken charger the whole time - it maxed out at ~70kW instead of 230kW - but I just moved to the next charger in the row.

The EU charging infrastructure is pretty good now.

Tesla has no advantage here, except maybe good car navigation integration. Most Tesla Superchargers are still 400V v2 which are slower than 300kW/800V Ionity and Fastned chargers.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by pornel »

alkonaut wrote: post #168

Was the limitation of superchargers to specific brands a US thing? In Europe there is always cars of all makes and models charging at the Tesla chargers?

Tesla's cars and Superchargers in the EU all use the CCS2 standard (similar to CCS1 in the US, but the plug doesn't have a latch sticking out).

NACS is really only a North American thing.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by vertnerd »

Eight years ago, when I bought my first Nissan Leaf, I was astonished to learn that the process of charging the car at a CHAdeMO station was entirely different from the process of filling a gasoline car. Eight years later, with a wallet full of different membership cards, and every charger with a different UI, the situation has actually gotten worse.

I, for one, welcome our new Tesla charging overlords.

Funny anecdote from two weeks ago: I had just finished a CHAdeMO session, stopped the charge, the UI said it was done (have a nice day!) but the charger refused to release the plug from the car. I spent ten minutes pulling and pulling, and talking to a clueless person on a customer service line, when the charger unlocked it all by itself. Imagine a system where a bug or glitch can lock the charging cable to your car for no reason whatsoever, completely immobilizing you in the middle of your trip!

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