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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by Geezus_42 »

jessriedel wrote: post #142
epistasis wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had some visitors to California from out of state recently, and the rental car place gave them an electric car (not Tesla), without basically any education about how to deal with them. I'm a huge fan of electric cars, and will probably never buy anything except EVs in the future, but man are you right that the non-Tesla experience is bleak. Charging was incredibly stressful. Few CCS chargers, each with a tiny numb…

> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers unless they clean house on everything software related. Legacy American car companies have been fully non-competitive with foreign brands for decades. Their continued existence is completely due to tariffs, and it’s not close. I see no reason to think congress would suddenly allow them to be threa…

I mean, we already nailed them out once.

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Post by saagarjha »

fuzzythinker wrote: post #127
modeless wrote: post #109

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$.50/kWh? That's crazy. It's $0.22 in Palo Alto ($0.19 for the first 450 kWh/month). I didn't realize it was such a good deal compared to PG&E.

It was cheaper at home for a long time. But 1+ years ago, they kept jacking up the price for no apparent reason.

San Jose resident here, you shouldn't be paying that much. If you have a TOU plan it's something like 35¢/kWh off-peak and 50 or so during peak times. They do keep raising the prices for no reason but not that much (yet).

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by reaperman »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #150
jessriedel wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers unless they clean house on everything software related. Legacy American car companies have been fully non-competitive with foreign brands for decades. Their continued existence is completely due to tariffs, and it’s not close. I see no reason to think congress would suddenly allow them to be threa…

Moreover it's not clear how long china will be able to continue subsidizing the electric cars the way they do.

More subsidies than the $7,500 per vehicle subsidy that the US government gives for our EV vehicles?

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by short_sells_poo »

jahewson wrote: post #129
epistasis wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had some visitors to California from out of state recently, and the rental car place gave them an electric car (not Tesla), without basically any education about how to deal with them. I'm a huge fan of electric cars, and will probably never buy anything except EVs in the future, but man are you right that the non-Tesla experience is bleak. Charging was incredibly stressful. Few CCS chargers, each with a tiny numb…

It’s shocking. I’ve had a non-Tesla electric car for about 5 years and the public chargers have always been garbage. The new ones are garbage too. If they do finally work, they charge at 1/4 the quoted speed. I had free charging for a while and even that was not enough of an incentive to use it.

Same experience in the UK. Just within London you have a dozen charging networks, they all have their own shitty apps, they require you to add your credit card and create an account and half the time they simply don't work and just give you some garbage error message like "charging failed".

Don't even get me started on Oxford. We arrive to a charging station and it turns out it is exclusively for electric taxis. No mention of this anywhere online.

It boils down to trial and error, and then remembering which specific charging points tend to work. For a completely new piece of infrastructure with no legacy cruft, the industry has made a complete and utter mess of it.

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Post by saagarjha »

talldatethrow wrote: post #117

I think as soon as thieves realize cars that are plugged in with drivers inside waiting are not able to drive away without unplugging, there will be a huge surge in crime against people charging their EVs. Then there will be a large surge in people going back to complaining about EVs having too many drawbacks. At least at a gas station I'm only there for 5 minutes, it's not at the back of some dark parking lot, and I…

Uh, you can do the same with your EV? Nothing stopping you from unplugging and driving away if you want.

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Post by spookie »

mattmaroon wrote: post #130
kristopolous wrote: post #121

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But globally it's not a single standard. I believe with NACS, the US once again, sits alone, like it does so often. Basically every other country is doing CCS, the US was deploying CCS but then the government said "nah, let's go with this other one". I remember when I saw companies switching to it, I seemed to be the only person who thought it was a bad idea. On the side of International Standardization it's me, a co…

What do we need it for? Are you driving your car across the Atlantic? We don’t have an international standard for what side of the road to drive on. Being something you practically always don’t take with you when you travel, as long as we’re standardized by continent what would even be the benefit?

Ease of manufacturing and export of vehicles globally.

Also, with everyone on the same standard, all companies have an incentive to optimize their hardware to accomodatte it.

It might not be that important short term but it is on the medium to long term to complete a proper transition.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by jasoncartwright »

modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

This situation sounds like Europe (& the UK) two or three years ago. Plentiful well maintained, fast and convenient chargers have sprung up since from a wide variety of operators (electricity companies, oil companies, startups, plus Tesla).

We standardised on CCS a while ago.

Many chargers are even faster than Tesla Superchargers whilst supporting the plug-and-charge standard ISO 15118. They are often surprisingly cheap too.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by ywvcbk »

reaperman wrote: post #153
throwawaymaths wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moreover it's not clear how long china will be able to continue subsidizing the electric cars the way they do.

More subsidies than the $7,500 per vehicle subsidy that the US government gives for our EV vehicles?

To be fair you can’t really use this type of subsidy for price dumping in foreign markets like China is doing in Europe and would love to do as well in the US.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by itsyogesh »

flurie wrote: post #4

I'd seen some rumors that Tesla has been trying to slow down onboarding of other automakers to their charging network, so it's good to see information to the contrary. I still struggle to see how this ends up favorable for Tesla in the long run. They did not charge licensing fees for the connector, and even if they charge a premium to charge non-Tesla vehicles, now owners of Tesla vehicles are going to run into situa…

The secret lies in the route planning and not the chargers. EV Charging is a discoverability problem, not an infrastructure one. Tesla knows this very well, and just giving access to this infra isn't going to take away anything from them.

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Post by ywvcbk »

reaperman wrote: post #143
epistasis wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had some visitors to California from out of state recently, and the rental car place gave them an electric car (not Tesla), without basically any education about how to deal with them. I'm a huge fan of electric cars, and will probably never buy anything except EVs in the future, but man are you right that the non-Tesla experience is bleak. Charging was incredibly stressful. Few CCS chargers, each with a tiny numb…

> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers Oh they won't have any trouble. They may lose international market share but the US government will keep raising tariffs ad infinitum to protect the US automakers no matter how far behind they get, or how expensive the vehicles get. We already are giving them 100% tariffs against BYD/etc. You migh…

Chinese companies can do the same thing Toyota and a bunch of other European and Japanese brands did.

Open factories in NA and make their cars here. If the US companies are so incompetent they should still be able to outcompete them while paying several times higher wages and not getting any subsidies from the CCP.

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