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Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by ianbutler »

reducesuffering wrote: post #130
strikelaserclaw wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he seems like a more credible source than random people with no real ml experience

That’s the funny thing isn’t it? Hinton, Bengio, and Sutskever, chief scientist of the tech behind OpenAI, all have strong opinions one way, but HN armchair experts handwave it away as fear mongering. Reminds me of climate change deniers. People just viscerally hate staring down upcoming disasters.

Yann LeCunn is a strong counter to the doomerism as one example. Jeremy Howard is another example. There are plenty of high profile, and distinguished researchers who don't buy into that line of thinking. None of them are eschewing safety taking into account the realities of how the technology can be used, but they aren't running the AI will kill us all line up the flagpole.

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Post by chpatrick »

brigadier132 wrote: post #156
strikelaserclaw wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he seems like a more credible source than random people with no real ml experience

Why do you believe "real ml experience" qualifies someone to speculate about the impact of what is currently science fiction technology on society?

It's rapidly turning into science fact, unless you've been living under a rock the last year.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by mifeng »

throwaxcvxvzxcv wrote: post #115

These Kara Swisher's tweets aligns extremely closely with the following pseudonymous Reddit user Anxious_Bandicoot126 from 4 hours ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/17xoact/comment/k9p... > I feel compelled as someone close to the situation to share additional context about Sam and company. > Engineers raised concerns about rushing tech to market without adequate safety reviews in the race to capitalize o…

Who in the world could Anxious_Bandicoot126 be???

"The board and myself were lied to one too many times."

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Post by summerlight »

SilverSlash wrote: post #87

My biggest question is: If Sam Altman starts a new company by next month, and him and Greg Brockman know all details of how GPT4/5 works, then what what will this mean for OpenAI's dominance and lead?

I don't think that specific knowledge means that much. The landscape is changing in a crazily fast pace. 3~4 years ago, Google was way ahead in terms of LLM but has become an underdog after bleeding talents thereafter. It's even worse for that hypothetical new company. It needs at least several months to implement GPT-4 like models and by that time Sam will lose most of his advantages at that moment. And we don't know whether the new company will have enough pool of world class talents to push the technology competitive. To win the competition again, Sam would need more than just some internal knowledge about GPT-4 or whatever models.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by lucubratory »

moralestapia wrote: post #95
sainez wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems you are conflating OpenAI the non-profit, with OpenAI the LLC: https://openai.com/our-structure

No, that's the whole point, "AI for the benefit of humanity" and whatnot turned out to be a marketing strategy (if you could call it that).

That is what Ilya Sutskever and the board of the non-profit have effectively accused Sam Altman of in firing him, yes.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by Cacti »

Bjorkbat wrote: post #100

I have a hard time believing this simply since it seems so ill-conceived. Sure, maybe Sam Altman was being irresponsible and taking risks, but they had an insanely good thing going for them. I'm not saying Sam Altman was responsible for the good times they were having, but you're probably going to bring them to an end by abruptly firing one of the most prominent members of the group, seeing where individual loyalties…

Sometimes smart people make stupid decisions. It’s really that simple.

A young guy who is suddenly very rich, possibly powerful, and talking to the most powerful government on the planet on national TV? And people are surprised to hear this person might have let it go a little bit to their head, forget what their job was, and suddenly think THEY were OpenAI, not all the people who worked there? And comes to learn reality the hard way.

What’s to be surprised about? It’s the goddamned most stereotypically human, utterly unsurprising thing about this and it happens all. the. time.

A lot of people here really struggle with the idea that smart people are not inherently special and that being smart doesn’t magically absolve you from making mistakes or acting like a shithead.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by esafak »

johnwheeler wrote: post #69
late2part wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm ignorant and don't disagree - can you say more about why Ilya is the core of Open AI?

Because he and Habasis became rivals when they parted at Google, and despite Dennis being the golden boy because of AlphaGo, Sutskever ate GOOGLES whole fucking lunch with ChatGPT.

Rivals over anything in particular, or just status?

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by mifeng »

mifeng wrote: post #183
throwaxcvxvzxcv wrote: post #115

These Kara Swisher's tweets aligns extremely closely with the following pseudonymous Reddit user Anxious_Bandicoot126 from 4 hours ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/17xoact/comment/k9p... > I feel compelled as someone close to the situation to share additional context about Sam and company. > Engineers raised concerns about rushing tech to market without adequate safety reviews in the race to capitalize o…

Who in the world could Anxious_Bandicoot126 be??? "The board and myself were lied to one too many times."

"All my teams were raising red flags about needing more time but he didn't give a damn."
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