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MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by ssnistfajen »

rubicon33 wrote: post #7

Maybe I'm just getting older but I feel like the quality of both music and film has seriously declined over the last 5-10 years. Maybe the good stuff is still out there but lost in a sea of average garbage that has surfaced to the top. Something tells me AI isn't going to rescue us either. I just sampled a bunch of these generated tracks and they immediately remind me of the average, mediocre, soul-lacking content th…

Good music/films that survived through decades or centuries of history are a prime example of survivorship bias.

It has been easier than ever for any individual to create content of any type, and there will always be gems.

AI isn't meant to "rescue" you from this problem, at least not in the present stage. You are looking for a mission that was never claimed.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by ssnistfajen »

the_only_law wrote: post #33
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #13

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A flood of garbage film/music has always existed, we just don't remember it because its uninteresting. However, I think modern rec algorithms (like the Netflix home page) are recommending more mediocre stuff than the old system, and the streaming boom did produce an abnormal glut of junk. Anyway I think AI is going to spawn a music remixing/game modding/tv extending renaissance. They perform much better when pointing…

I won’t speak to music, as I listen to a lot of stuff, enough to know there is good stuff out there being made. But for movies and TV? Where do I find the good stuff? It seems Hollywood is creatively bankrupt and just milking people off boring franchises and cheap nostalgia through crappy remakes and sequels. My eyes rolled to the back of my head when I saw an ad for a show called “how I met your father” on Hulu.

Indie films, international films, etc.

Mainstream entertainment has always converged to mediocrity.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by sillysaurusx »

wholinator2 wrote: post #180
sillysaurusx wrote: post #144

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I don’t know if gwern realized how powerful his model was. His examples are underwhelming, because you have to prompt it in a certain way to get it to generate chords. He was showing me samples and they were neat, but boring. One day he posted something that sounded pretty amazing, and I was blown away. “More like that, please.” It had chords in it. He didn’t pursue it past that. I did. So it’s possible that no one i…

Do you have a write up anywhere with samples? I'd love to hear some of the better examples you have. I agree that most of what's out there is underwhelming

All of them are here: https://on.soundcloud.com/d6rX9goHHrSH3sQY9

Unfortunately I didn’t do a writeup (which gwern has given me a hard time about over the years, and he’s quite right!), so I have nothing to offer beyond those songs as a finished product. Maybe one day I’ll try to resurrect it for devs.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by logarhythmic »

tarr11 wrote: post #176
jimbokun wrote: post #106

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Because we like music for the fun of making it, and the shared emotional connection felt with the artist (whether it's real or not, knowing a human wrote and performed a piece allows you to imagine this connection). I don't know what the point of machine generated music is. Just destroying one of the few remaining ways for people to make a living doing something creative, I guess. The promise of automation was to hav…

This feels like a straw man to me. We are continuing to automate feeding, housing and clothing ourselves as well. These two things are not mutually exclusive. I would like to make music, video games and movies, too, and AI lets me do that. I don’t need millions of dollars or years of training to make something creative anymore.

> I don’t need millions of dollars or years of training to make something creative anymore.

You never did... You just needed to get creative.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by ryandrake »

wholinator2 wrote: post #163
djur wrote: post #94

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I disagree that key changes in popular music are a great measure of complexity. For many years a key change near the end of the song was an easy way to give the sense of a climax. The article your link is based on gives a good summary of it: > The act of shifting a song’s key up either a half step or a whole step (i.e. one or two notes on the keyboard) near the end of the song, was the most popular key change for dec…

While i do agree generally about key changes, i think the point is that it's just an example of something that sounds _interesting_. It's not just key changes, but all the little chances that an actual artist takes during creation, the things that sound good to some and bad to others are exactly what makes art, art. The change being witnessed isn't the loss of key changes, but the loss of everything that sounds diffe…

How about time signature changes, then? Not too many popular songs experiment much anymore. What was the last popular hit with a really odd meter (or various meters)? I know, not everyone can be Rush, but it’s pretty vanilla today.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by thomashop »

beachy wrote: post #147
thomashop wrote: post #74

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Can you provide some sources? Last time I looked into statistics on these topics I found the opposite to be true. The brothers Rosling have a nice talk about how all the big stats are improving globally (gender equality, education, health, extreme poverty, life expectation) https://youtu.be/Sm5xF-UYgdg

All the stats that we self-interested humans care about anyway. The stats on the planet we live in are bad and getting worse. There is 30% more carbon dioxide in the air now than when I was born. All the improvements in gender equality mean nothing compared to that and the trend behind it.

The parent I responded to was not talking about climate change. Sure that's a whole different debate

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by dang »

ddmichael wrote: post #43
mmaunder wrote: post #30

This is incredible!! For all the “AI is stealing our music” naysayers here consider that all art is derivative or it lacks context and makes it nonsensical, and artists learn too.

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Can you please make your substantive points without personal swipes?

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Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by TrackerFF »

tumult wrote: post #45

I don’t understand what’s motivating certain types of people to continue working on these types of AI practical implementation projects. There’s nothing good for the world this (type of AI in particular) will offer. Maybe someone will say this will let people who aren’t musicians express themselves by creating music. That’s not true. It’s as true as hiring a musician to make a song for you, given a description. And n…

Muzak generation.

This kind of automated "filler" music has been around for decades, and is usually used for exactly that - filler. It's pretty much the stock photos of music.

And that could be a good thing - suddenly content-creators don't have to spend money or energy on purchasing that kind of stuff.

If you've ever seen youtube automation videos - typically those "TOP N" list vids, they always contain some kind of muzak-style soundtracks.

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