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Re: Container shipping has cratered, as ship owners try to avoid unprofitable trips

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Post by dandellion »

eru wrote: post #49
swyx wrote: post #19

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i checked the BDI https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/baltic its exactly at the historical 30 year average. nothing to see here lol

Do you know how that index works? Is it inflation adjusted? (Does it even include price components that would need to be inflation adjusted?) https://www.balticexchange.com/en/data-services/market-infor... ostensibly has some information on the index, but it's hard to tell. If it's not inflation adjusted, then being on the 30 year nominal average is actually a substantial decline in real costs over time.

If the chart is not inflation adjusted it means it had been declining in real costs for the 27 previous years, so why is it only a problem now?

Re: Container shipping has cratered, as ship owners try to avoid unprofitable trips

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

MrFantastic wrote: post #174
Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #121

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> Vice News used to be great and essentially apolitical. One of the founders founded the proud boys. >They went to interesting, dangerous places and reported what they saw by showing you what they saw. They were rich nepo kids going into places and doing a ton of poverty porn. Seeing the inside of a favela on the eyes of a brooklyn kids whose dad makes pharma patents was edgy in 2000s but boy does it not hold up. > A…

The Proud Boys started as a joke by a former Punk Singer. Punks ideology was based on anti-racist and anti-sexist beliefs, They didn't realize that there was a real audience for their satire and the group was Co-opted by actual racists. A similar thing happened to the Tea Party which was anti-1%'res which is now controlled by their corporate donors. It's new name is the House Freedom Caucus and they want to default o…

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Re: Container shipping has cratered, as ship owners try to avoid unprofitable trips

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

the_gastropod wrote: post #142
golergka wrote: post #126

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> One of the founders founded the proud boys. That's ad hominem, not a counter argument about Vice's content. > They were rich nepo kids going into places and doing a ton of poverty porn. Seeing the inside of a favela on the eyes of a brooklyn kids whose dad makes pharma patents was edgy in 2000s but boy does it not hold up. Yes, so? This description is good journalism. You're just trying to come up with derogatory t…

That is not what ad hominem means. Responding to the claim that Vice used to be unbiased by pointing out the cofounder of Vice also happened to found an extremist right wing organization—some might call it a terrorist organization—is perfectly fair game.

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Post by cool_dude85 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #168
otikik wrote: post #141

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Nothing is apolitical. If you don’t talk about politics then your position is “I am fine with the way things are now”, which is political.

No. I can say that Biden isn't up to the job, and that Trump is a wanna-be dictator who should not be given a second chance at pulling it off. That's apolitical, in that I'm not shilling for either side, but I'm sure not fine with the way things are now. I'm just also not fine with the other side's proposed solution.

No, these are both political statements, sorry.

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Post by swores »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #168
otikik wrote: post #141

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Nothing is apolitical. If you don’t talk about politics then your position is “I am fine with the way things are now”, which is political.

No. I can say that Biden isn't up to the job, and that Trump is a wanna-be dictator who should not be given a second chance at pulling it off. That's apolitical, in that I'm not shilling for either side, but I'm sure not fine with the way things are now. I'm just also not fine with the other side's proposed solution.

Commenting on good or bad aspects of politicians is literally as far from being apolitical as can be, regardless of if you feel you're being neutral between different parties.

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Post by poulsbohemian »

lynx23 wrote: post #61
somethoughts wrote: post #32

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Definitely feels like there should be a "law of headlines" coined to effect of - something must always either be surging catastrophically or plummeting disatrously.

The truth is, journalism has cratered. However, most are not ready to accept the truth, since they still believe the media are an essential part of democracy.

>they still believe the media are an essential part of democracy.

It is, but maybe not in its traditional forms. Further, social media was supposed to be part of the solution but apart from a few shining examples has instead become about selling us crap, spying on us, and holding our attention away from the problems of the world. This all isn't to say that media in some other form or rebirth of these old forms isn't still the answer to information sharing and reengaging civic dialog.

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Post by chiefalchemist »

carlmr wrote: post #156
chiefalchemist wrote: post #117

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Aka The Fourth Estate. I laugh (read: cry) everytime I hear a wannabe "journalist" lament the "threats to Democracy", not realizing - or at least not acknowledging - that they and their ilk have been leading that effort, shamelessly, for years. If there's any group that knows first hand about what "the threat to Democracy" looks like, it's contemporary "journalism".

They are victims and perpetrators at the same time though.

Victims? How? You're not a victim when your wounds are self-inflicted.

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Post by dbliss »

otikik wrote: post #141
ehvatum wrote: post #102

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Vice News used to be great and essentially apolitical. They went to interesting, dangerous places and reported what they saw by showing you what they saw. Their viewership grew rapidly. Fast-forward. All new Vice productions are deeply and uniformly opinionated. Comparatively few people care to watch. Relative to their previous work, this later work received no significant attention and generated no revenue. There is…

Nothing is apolitical. If you don’t talk about politics then your position is “I am fine with the way things are now”, which is political.

If nothing is apolitical (or everything is political) what's the point of the word?

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Post by plemer »

dbliss wrote: post #188
otikik wrote: post #141

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Nothing is apolitical. If you don’t talk about politics then your position is “I am fine with the way things are now”, which is political.

If nothing is apolitical (or everything is political) what's the point of the word?

To describe a universal element of human experience. Like saying, “If gravity is everywhere, what’s the point of the word?”

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Post by plemer »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #168
otikik wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing is apolitical. If you don’t talk about politics then your position is “I am fine with the way things are now”, which is political.

No. I can say that Biden isn't up to the job, and that Trump is a wanna-be dictator who should not be given a second chance at pulling it off. That's apolitical, in that I'm not shilling for either side, but I'm sure not fine with the way things are now. I'm just also not fine with the other side's proposed solution.

I think you’re conflating “partisan” with “political”.
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