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> These things are all designed to permanently turn people (in particular young people, children) into bad simulacra of the other sex. Citation needed. They're _designed_ to permanently turn people into bad simulacra of the other sex? > That’s literally satanic by the way. What? Even if that were true, who cares? Your particular religious beliefs are irrelevant.
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> Social media told you to be angry about people that’ve been around forever. You chose to only pay attention recently and get angry. Again, no. It's only when they started telling children it was a good idea to sterilize themselves. Just don't do irreversible damage to children, it's that easy. Find other shibboleths to identify good communists that don't involve chopping bits off kids.
I don’t think communist countries have a higher rate of trans people. Blaming random, irrelevant things on communism is a hallmark sign of believing media fear mongering.
- "Communists" is shorthand for "envious losers who'd rather destroy society than improve themselves". "Elite overproduction" is what you want to google. I just think "communist" has a more, idk, "classic" ring to it.
Now, you can argue whether we have an "envious loser" problem or not, and how big their influence is, and if it's too late to do anything at all, or all is lost already.
Or you can pull out the dictionary.
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You're inventing things people aren't arguing for. The purpose of giving puberty blockers, for example, is to buy time to avoid irreversible damage at a too young age. And yes, to a child whose dysphoria does not resolve, puberty as the wrobg sex is irreversible damage. If you believe your own arguments, presumably you support them.
If I believed all those dysphoria cases were real and not social contagion I would. But I don't, so I don't.
Your reasoning is fundamentally flawed, and appears to just seek to justify the extensive harm your immoral stance would result in.
Other moral panics of thundering herds of dumb: - Salem witch trials - Know Nothing-Party - KKK - McCarthyism - Rock and roll - Banned books - Sex education - Heavy metal - Gay movement & HIV/AIDS - Video games - People who consume Fox News - People who consume US local news - Anti-immigrant hysteria Roughly 1500 innocent individuals have been executed in the US. 100k's of innocent individuals languished slowly and l…
When was the "moral panic" over the KKK, exactly? Usually the term means an irrational fear. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideo... Other parts of the list are also obnoxious and/or offensive but I didn't want to dissect it all.
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> Yeah, it’s shockingly immoral to not give children drugs that have existed for something like 0.01% of human existence. What is the argument here? Drugs haven't existed for long, so it's okay to prevent people from using them? I'm sure we can all agree it would be shockingly immoral to steal cancer drugs from a patient, even if it is natural development.
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They are not suspected to, they have been caught in consensual acts, they were caught red handed to be hypocrites. A gay person isn't a hypocrite for being gay, a gay person condemning and harming other gay people is a hypocrite.
And I suppose those who harm gay people by bullying them and publicly shaming them deserve everything that's coming to them, especially if they're doing from a hypocritical and misguided delusion of righteousness... Again missing the point. It isn't a challenge to defend oneself, it's an invitation to reflect. Less talking, more thinking.
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If I believed all those dysphoria cases were real and not social contagion I would. But I don't, so I don't.
Irrelevant. If any significant number of them are "social contagion", then that is an argument for puberty blockers to remove any pressure for more invasive and irreversible changes while the person in question is too young to decide for themselves and have not had a chance to think it through. Your reasoning is fundamentally flawed, and appears to just seek to justify the extensive harm your immoral stance would res…
And if you had to bet money, if I told you some kid started on puberty blockers, what would be the odds they later got surgery or further irreversible damage done? Higher or lower than if they didn't start on puberty blockers, as they did 10 years ago?
If I'm right and social contagion is much more prevalent than "real dysphoria", that is a very relevant point, and makes fighting against the contagion the right thing to do, not dishing out puberty blockers like candy.
Now, you can tell me that you believe there is little social contagion and we'll have to agree to disagree, but don't try to twist your way into roiding kids up, it doesn't make sense. And you know it.
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I'm a bit surprised at how often it seems to come up in random comment threads. The atmosphere here feels increasingly unwelcoming lately. Or maybe people feel like they're just having abstract, hypothetical intellectual discussions. But when I read these threads, it just feels like signal after signal that I no longer fit in or have a place here.
I too have noticed some quite transphobic attitudes on HN over the past year or so. It's been a bit shocking at times. I have considered emailing the admins to state my concerns, or creating an account here to add another voice to threads when things start heading in that direction - but ultimately it seems futile as transphobia seems to have ramped up everywhere recently. It's scary. Of all the wonderful trans peopl…
If you have concerns that are not resolved by people getting flagged (may take a while for them to reach critical mass of flags) or banned, do e-mail the admins. I'm sure they'll at least listen.
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And as you can see, even Hacker News is not immune to this latest moral panic. Sadly, once a moral panic starts, it's nearly impossible to stop. It has to destroy an egregious number of innocent lives before society finally comes to its senses, at which point the panic slowly fizzles out.
I'm a bit surprised at how often it seems to come up in random comment threads. The atmosphere here feels increasingly unwelcoming lately. Or maybe people feel like they're just having abstract, hypothetical intellectual discussions. But when I read these threads, it just feels like signal after signal that I no longer fit in or have a place here.
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Irrelevant. If any significant number of them are "social contagion", then that is an argument for puberty blockers to remove any pressure for more invasive and irreversible changes while the person in question is too young to decide for themselves and have not had a chance to think it through. Your reasoning is fundamentally flawed, and appears to just seek to justify the extensive harm your immoral stance would res…
Puberty blockers themselves are not free of risk of irreversible damage, as you very well know. And if you had to bet money, if I told you some kid started on puberty blockers, what would be the odds they later got surgery or further irreversible damage done? Higher or lower than if they didn't start on puberty blockers, as they did 10 years ago? If I'm right and social contagion is much more prevalent than "real dys…
Their risk is miniscule compared to the risk of untreated gender dysphoria.
> And if you had to bet money, if I told you some kid started on puberty blockers, what would be the odds they later got surgery or further irreversible damage done? Higher or lower than if they didn't start on puberty blockers, as they did 10 years ago?
Irrelevant, as if they later get surgery it is because they, once they are mature enough to decide, determine that it is the best outcome for them. If that number is higher than 10 years ago it is likely to be because the chance of an outcome that will actually help them will be drastically improved when they've not been forced to endure the massive harm of going through puberty with dysphoria.
Your reasoning is still invalid.
> If I'm right and social contagion is much more prevalent than "real dysphoria", that is a very relevant point, and makes fighting against the contagion the right thing to do, not dishing out puberty blockers like candy.
If social contagion is much more prevalent than "real dysphoria" that would justify trying to fix that, but it would still not justify doing massive harm to those suffering from that dysphoria whether or not caused by social contagion.
Irrespective of the source of the dysphoria, it exists, and it correlates to immense harm when untreated, and so arguing for withholding treatment is deeply immoral.
That you're suggesting this is out of some desire to "roid kids up" is just vile.