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I worked at Google for -10 days

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by dmak »

bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

I hope Couchbase AND Larry reads this because that's messed up. I would never even consider a job there after hearing this.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by klipklop »

dheera wrote: post #126
mschild wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a general level sure maybe, but for this particular case, there was little economical need for Google to have any layoffs. They're swimming in money and are highly profitable. Pulling the rug out underneath a new employee who is days away from starting and moving his whole life to a new country is simply shitty behaviour.

> there was little economical need for Google to have any layoffs The trouble is, public companies like Google aren't owned by their execs anymore. They've lost control to a bunch of idiots on Wall Street. They optimize for stock price, not employee satisfaction, not customer satisfaction.

Larry/Sergey is firmly in control of Google. Even if you buy up all the available GOOGL shares you will be outvoted by them. The company is not owned by Wall Street. Employees and most investors have GOOG stock that has no voting rights.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by wongarsu »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #7

There’s no great solution to this apart from the economy and company doing well so that this doesnt happen. I’ll lay out the reasons below: 1. Let’s say we pass a law that prevents offers from being revoked. This will make hiring much harder and increase 5 rounds to like 10 and involve many more committees and even then most candidates other than sureshots getting rejected. 2. Ban revoking offers only for overseas em…

Here in Germany nobody would move based on an offer, only based on a signed employment contract. Of course you can terminate the contract, but there commonly is a clause that you can't terminate the contract before it starts (to protect both parties from the other party backing out). And even if that clause doesn't exist, by law there is at a minimum a two week notice period, so this example of a company walking back on it a week before isn't possible. And while relocation reimbursements typically would contain a clause that effectively vests it over X years (meaning you have to pay part of it back if you quit) this clause legally can't apply in a case like this where there's no fault of the employee (he wasn't even there to potentially do something wrong).

Despite these basic protections, we still manage to hire people around here.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by xienze »

mattw2121 wrote: post #110
bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

Never put in notice until background checks and all on boarding paperwork is 100% complete. Putting in notice on an offer letter is premature and, unfortunately, leads to bad results.

In previous jobs I’ve always given notice after receiving an offer. In hindsight, I realize that was pretty dumb, but it was a different time, long ago. Going forward I will absolutely wait until my first day on the new job to give notice to the old one. It’s not fair to either employer, but getting an offer pulled after quitting an existing job scares the hell out of me.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by cortesoft »

kevinventullo wrote: post #130
kdmccormick wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I posted this on your other comment, but I'll post it here again. Leaving without 2 weeks notice seems like a good way to incinerate your professional relationship with your outgoing manager/teammates. I guess if you would never use them for a reference anyway, that's fine, but what if you do want to use them as a reference in the future? Or is your experience that your former team didn't actually mind that you just…

Explain to them why you had to do it this way; it’s a consequence of companies rescinding offers at the last second.

If you are a good employee and you handle your departure professionally, you can instead tell your old employer that your new job fell through and go back to your old job.

If you burn your bridges on your way out, then you can never go back. What happens if your new job lets you go after a week? If you are worried about a job pulling an offer a week before you start, you should be worried about it being pulled a week after you start.

You are protecting yourself from an offer being pulled before you start by exposing yourself to extra risk if they pull the offer after you start. It seems like a poor trade.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by xnorswap »

cleansy wrote: post #125
zippergz wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please get back to me once you've gotten a multinational corporation to agree to this (or any other candidate-provided clause) for a non-executive employee.

I never had to deal with multinationals - not much of a corporate guy. I was reading through the comments here and it seemed to be common that "well, there's nothing you can do". Actually, there is, write it in your contract and see what comes back. If your new employer does not allow for this, at least a) you tried and b) you are fully aware of the risk that the employer might just leave you out cold. In which case,…

I've also not worked for mega-corps, but I've also had good experience with writing things into contracts and having them agreed to.

I find it odd that people are fine with contract negotiation when it comes to remuneration but treat actual contract clauses like holy text that can't be changed.

There's even a good chance that what you think is "unchanging boilerplate" is boilerplate that gets updated all the time and barely anyone is on the same contract anyway, or that it is very job role or department specific.

That said, I've mostly worked at SMEs which can be more flexible anyway, and getting a contract change is a good indicator of their general flexibility so perhaps works as a good filter too.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by fuddle »

mattw2121 wrote: post #110
bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

Never put in notice until background checks and all on boarding paperwork is 100% complete. Putting in notice on an offer letter is premature and, unfortunately, leads to bad results.

Agreed, not until I have a signed employment contract.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by nashashmi »

dmak wrote: post #181
bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

I hope Couchbase AND Larry reads this because that's messed up. I would never even consider a job there after hearing this.

They are too selfish to feel anything. But fwiw, I will try.

“We are sorry that this incident happened and will look at our process to see how we can avoid situations like this in the future.”

Feel better?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by davchana »

mattw2121 wrote: post #110
bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

Never put in notice until background checks and all on boarding paperwork is 100% complete. Putting in notice on an offer letter is premature and, unfortunately, leads to bad results.

My state job did (& it was normal) all i9 w4 stuff on 1st day of joining.
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