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Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by simonw »

deathanatos wrote: post #16

Oh please . This is such a trope at this point. We asked ChatGPT a question about a system the other day. Its response was, > That number is equivalent to [another number]. That number controls $thing, and that number is the recommended value for thing according to $standard. It relates to $unrelated_thing. It did the math wrong when converting the number from one unit to another. (From days to seconds.) While it got…

Don't ask language models to solve problems that involve math. That's not what they're useful for, and as you've seen here they'll get it laughably wrong.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by BobbyJo »

ideonode wrote: post #11
supermatt wrote: post #9

> AGI doesn’t exist yet I wouldn't be so sure about that! This "ground truth" model doing the rounds seems to be outperforming all other models in their respective papers! ;p

Do you have a reference for that?

I believe this was a joke. Papers compare trained models to "ground truth" to determine accuracy. Ground truth refers simply to the correct answers, but, the way it's used grammatically, you can interpret it as another model called "ground truth" which has a 100% accuracy at all tasks.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by bsaul »

asdff wrote: post #152
bsaul wrote: post #124

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I think the types of error chatgpt makes are indeed very similar to the ones a tesla autopilot does ( probably due to the nature of NN) There is one big difference though : there are TONS of tasks chatgpt can do that don't require 100% accuracy to be useful and actually replace humans.

What are some of those tasks humans are doing today where they need information but it doesn't have to be accurate information? Brainstorming for sitcoms?

any kind of non-critical content production. Marketing, advertising, entertainment, low-level hotline, documentation, etc.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by [deleted] »

paxys wrote: post #107
adventured wrote: post #104

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It did. Netscape provided that aha moment - via the Web - in the mid to late 1990s. It shook the landscape at the time. If you lived through it, you know what I'm talking about. It was suddenly popping up everywhere, across all media, across the general population. It rocketed into the mainstream in the matter of a few years. Even if people didn't fully realize it was the Internet making it possible.

For a small group of enthusiasts, sure. Ask random people whether they know or have used Netscape Navigator and 95%+ of the responses will be "huh, what is that?" Now ask them about ChatGPT and you will see the difference.

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Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by asdff »

bsaul wrote: post #183
asdff wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are some of those tasks humans are doing today where they need information but it doesn't have to be accurate information? Brainstorming for sitcoms?

any kind of non-critical content production. Marketing, advertising, entertainment, low-level hotline, documentation, etc.

I would think for all of that you want the information to be accurate even if its low level or a first line of defence. Imagine if you looked up the documentation for your tool and chatgpt wrote it.... Now it could be flat out wrong and you are spending hours wondering why nothing makes sense. Likewise with marketing or advertising, just watch the "Pepsi where's my jet" documentary to see what happens if you aren't dotting all your i's and crossing all your t's when it comes to marketing.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by asdff »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #177
asdff wrote: post #144

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>I think we'll be seeing AI-driven scammers, calling and messaging us, almost incessantly, I think we'll be seeing AI-generated political manipulation, like fake videos and audio, of politicians and public figures, I think we'll be seeing AI-driven promotional campaigns, and almost undetectably subtle media manipulation, like corporations seeding news stories with their talking points. I also think that we'll be seei…

Many of these scams are older than dirt. I remember, in the 1980s, companies getting actual snail mail 419 scams, then, in the 1990s, faxes. But AI will be giving the same sharks, new tools. Soon, you will actually be hearing your granddaughter on the phone, screaming, as they rip out her fingernails. The "IRS agent" will no longer have a dodgy Indian accent. Those "I caught you masturbating" emails will now have act…

If the scams become widespread people will react accordingly. Real kidnappers ripping fingernails for ransom will find that they get hung up on and now have to resort to other strategies to get past the spam and get payment. People will realize how easy it is to make a deepfake and just not care about photos of them in compromising situations since they could now always claim plausible deniability. Gullible people will fall victim of course, but it doesn't take much even today to have someone hand over their life to you with some social engineering. There's probably millions of bots that were doing just that with some canned responses and getting a good enough return to continue hosting the bot farm at least even before chatgpt. I doubt the internet scammer needs much sophistication to get a decent return.

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Post by xtracto »

baq wrote: post #106
xtracto wrote: post #87

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As someone who has done some research on AI in the last 25 years I find this current iteration amazing. 25 years ago when I was just starting my Bachelor's degree, AI was in a sort of "hiatus". The "great" AI procedures were mostly rule based systems. We read about MYCIN and similar expert systems and how they could do amazing stuff. We also read about AI generating new strategies for Backgammon. That was amazing. Bu…

2023 AI is basically magic. LLMs and diffusors are the first AI technology to keep the AI name. All previously developed AIs lost their AI naming rights - magic powers - soon after production deployment. These two are truly AI - they’re still magic, perhaps even more so than even 3 months ago and given the number of parameters in them, this will likely remain true for a while. Working with ChatGPT and stable diffusio…

Love your quote. I was just reading Arthur C. Clarke's wiki page .

Mobile's are magic to my grandma...

I know how NN work... I've done them. I am so excited at the thought of my equivalent to what mobiles are to my grandma. I'm 40 years old and wish so hard I live to see the marvels of 2060

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by hackerlight »

asdff wrote: post #172
hackerlight wrote: post #169

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Anything low stakes like learning a new language or writing some code/creating some art for a landing page for a new idea.

We've seen things like it spitting out incorrect code that looks correct. I would think that would set you up for failure if you tried to use this unreliable highly confident teacher to learn the fundamentals of anything. Maybe you can create some art but I guess that depends on how good you prompt, so its probably easier to iterate quickly with an artist you hired on fiver.

Don't forget that this thing is way cheaper than a human. Of course I'd prefer to hire a real language tutor or a real artist on Fiverr, but for many use-cases (e.g. my first 3 months learning a new language) I am happy for something 98% as good for 1% of the price. Not everything is a binary where the tutor/helper/artist needs to be absolutely perfect else it's completely useless. There are low stakes use cases where you don't need perfection and are happy to accept that trade-off for the lower cost. So the real comparison in many situations is between using ChatGPT as a language tutor, and not having a language tutor at all, and I know which one I'd prefer.

Re: The Age of AI has begun

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Post by musicale »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #88

I guess one of my own issues with AI, is seeing how the tools we already have, have been twisted by greedy, ruthless people (many of whom are on this very venue). I was one of the people that started off in tech with dreams of a digital Nirvana. I ignored the "negative naysayers," and sallied forth, with an open heart, and hope for the future. I'm really quite disappointed in what we've done with these marvelous tool…

Ruthlessness and greed tend to be signature qualities of successful companies and their executives.

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Post by capableweb »

baq wrote: post #143
capableweb wrote: post #116

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> LLMs and diffusors are the first AI technology to keep the AI name "AI" is not a static name that can be given to something and it remains AI. What was AI today will not be AI tomorrow, it'll be too simple by then. Just as the AI written in the 1950s is not even AI by today standards, while it was groundbreaking at the time. This moment will too come to pass, and people will look at 2023 AI as "AI that lost its nam…

I hope not… it’d mean the current generation is obsolete, and it’s already scary enough as is

Why not? That means we're making progress. If we're not calling today's technologies "outdated" in the future means we're stagnating.

Just like most programmers who get better year by year will look back at any code they used to write and say "How did I think that was good code?!"

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