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“Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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I call bullshit. The average cooked potatoe has 25% less calories than rice or pasta. You'd have to eat 3kg of cooked potatoes to get 2100kcal. I am pretty certain it is near impossible to get fat from eating potatoes. Go give it a try. I bet that it is the "frying" part or the sauce or butter that comes with it, that leaves a lasting impression on the hips.

Brother, weight lifters literally eat sweet potatoes to put on weight

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Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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something bad is going to happen to people who think they can just take Ozempic for the rest of their lives there's no way a drug that effective has no side effects I know people who have lost weight using Ozempic...you only lose weight...you do not become healthy...you do not gain muscle...you just are a flabby person who is less fat

Losing a significant amount of fat on purpose is becoming healthier, no ifs or buts about it.

yes, but only to a certain extent

in cases of Ozempic use I have observed - less food is consumed but it is still tending to be garbage

weight is lost but I doubt there is a substantial health gain

I have read that the intent was to bootstrap better habits and then stop taking Ozempic once the better habits took hold...instead people will just take it forever and keeping eating (fewer) burgers

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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What interests me is how anybody could ever come to believe otherwise. The contrary belief flies in the face of all common sense, popular experience and medical science. It seems to come entirely from propaganda on social media telling fat people what they want to believe.

The article quoted in the link (https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2020.00053...) contains a list of plausible hypotheses and mechanisms for why some amount of fat might actually be good for you. I don't have enough background in human physiology to say how seriously those should be taken, but there you go.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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The old line goes > Your BMI tells me your overweight. > But rugby players BMIs are high, and they aren't overweight! > You don't play rugby though do you. I'm glad that "fat acceptance" may be turning a corner and will be banished hopefully and there can be a semblance of rational discourse. Ideally you should be a BMI 22, non smoking, non drinking, long distance runner living in the countryside eating a perfectly b…

You need to lift weights more than you need to run long distance.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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The old line goes > Your BMI tells me your overweight. > But rugby players BMIs are high, and they aren't overweight! > You don't play rugby though do you. I'm glad that "fat acceptance" may be turning a corner and will be banished hopefully and there can be a semblance of rational discourse. Ideally you should be a BMI 22, non smoking, non drinking, long distance runner living in the countryside eating a perfectly b…

It is bizarre that you would read an article which says, “using body-mass index (BMI) to measure obesity is likely the most problematic factor,” and then immediately prescribe a fixed BMI for everyone without qualification.

Indeed, especially the 22 BMI target. For me (5'10") that would mean 155lbs, I'd have to shed (going by my scale which estimates body fat percentage) around 28 lbs of fat (I'm at 15% fat right now, so 28 lbs would get me to 0% which is unhealthy) and 7lbs of other weight to hit that target. Could I lose some weight? Sure. But I won't. Back on the exercise habit after a few months off and I'm getting slimmer but my weight is staying the same, as I would expect it to based on my previous experience (I pack on muscle easily).

BMI is a useful heuristic (BMI over 30 and not a powerlifter? Probably unhealthy, let's look at other characteristics and see how unhealthy and how to address it) but a terrible target until you know your own body.

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Healthy food can be fattening and unhealthy food can be not fattening. It has very little to do with the type of food and everything to do with the density of calories in the food, and the amount of that food eaten. No one ever got fat eating only vegetables. But you can't eat only vegetables and get all the necessary nutrients(at least not easily).

You can, it's called veganism and lots of people do it. However, you don't have to be that "extreme". Just eating mostly vegetables and cutting out all the obvious crap will do. The fact that this is somehow unimaginably strict to many people just shows how completely fucked up our relationship with food is. Most of the foods that make us fat didn't even exist a hundred years ago (at least in its modern, highly proce…

Sure, but to be vegan you have to know wtf you're doing, because it's really easy to get malnourished in various ways. And unless you want to eat nasty fermented beans or something you need b12 supplements at the very least.

Getting iron from non-heme sources is also kind of hit-or-miss.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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> I get to eat what I want and sit around all day? Hell yeah! I am naturally thin. That statement ("i get to eat what i want and sit around all day") is true of my body. Is it such a strange idea that there are as many people who are naturally thin as there are that are naturally fat? Those people aren't making a choice to be fat any more than i am making a choice to be thin. Why should they feel bad about their body…

You might be genetically blessed, others might be genetically cursed. Some are genetically predisposed to becoming fat. Its still a fact that they are fat. And being fat comes with associated health risks.

Right, sure. But we don't make women who are generically pre-disposed to have breast cancer feel bad for being genetically pre-disposed to breast cancer. We don't call their bodies disgusting because of that risk, do we? Do we say that it's their fault? That they're lazy, have no self-control? That the "breast cancer pre-dispositon acceptance movement" is wokeness out of control?

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> I get to eat what I want and sit around all day? Hell yeah! I am naturally thin. That statement ("i get to eat what i want and sit around all day") is true of my body. Is it such a strange idea that there are as many people who are naturally thin as there are that are naturally fat? Those people aren't making a choice to be fat any more than i am making a choice to be thin. Why should they feel bad about their body…

That's the bit that OP and the writer, if they're different people, miss. Fat acceptance is basically a position that we fatties have been forced into. If every skinny person learned to mind their own business, it wouldn't exist. The problem is not that we aren't listening to our doctors - the problem is that people like OP exist who self-appoint themselves as our doctors and start preaching. And that word was chosen…

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Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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The old line goes > Your BMI tells me your overweight. > But rugby players BMIs are high, and they aren't overweight! > You don't play rugby though do you. I'm glad that "fat acceptance" may be turning a corner and will be banished hopefully and there can be a semblance of rational discourse. Ideally you should be a BMI 22, non smoking, non drinking, long distance runner living in the countryside eating a perfectly b…

> I'm glad that "fat acceptance" may be turning a corner and will be banished hopefully and there can be a semblance of rational discourse. TFA doesn't even use the phrase "fat acceptance", which is a completely different thing than claiming "obesity is healthy". The former is simply an effort to destigmatize it, like we destigmatize other forms of addiction. Also, "obesity is healthy" is a strawman — no credible per…

It's greed acceptance.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

#190
So, why is it that as a wealthy person with good health insurance and access to care, when I see my GP for an actual physical, I get weighed, but I don't get a DEXA scan that actually measures muscle and fat? They're not expensive compared to other stuff in health care, but accurate fat measurement seems to be a thing for recreational fitness nerds not people trying to live a long time or without chronic diseases? When I've gotten these before it's always from a scanner in truck in a CrossFit parking lot rather than at a Dr office. If distinguishing between fat and weight is important, why is it so ignored in medical contexts?
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