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Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by simion314 » Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 7:49 AM UTC

bilqis wrote: post #134

simion314 wrote: post #28

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Many do this mistake to consider "Russia" instead of just Putin, those two entities interests do not align, so shit that might not make sense for Russia to do might make perfect sense for Putin to do. We had the cases where instead of admitting that their warship was hit Putin regime pushed the narrative that it was just Russian incompetence. So for sure it makes no sense for Russia to want their popes sabotage, but…

It’s also a mistake to think that Putin is some kind of Czar with absolute ultimate power.

Please tell me who can stop Putin?

- the chances that the parliament can do it are zero

- the chances that the army can do it are small sicne he put in charge his incompetent but loyal people and has created his own military branch for his personal protection

- the chance that public protestsc could do it are also small

China has more influence on what Putin ca n\t do then Russians.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by bilqis » Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 1:43 PM UTC

CamperBob2 wrote: post #141

bilqis wrote: post #130

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I can easily imagine both a) countries restoring relationship with Russia with Putin and b) Putin by various reasons being replaced by another server of national capital, with some shifts in money, giving excuse to EU to reestablish relationship. EU was buying gas and oil from Russia for the last 40+ years, they were okay with pumping Russia with billions of euros even after Crimea annexation (and they still pump som…

I can easily imagine both a) countries restoring relationship with Russia with Putin You have a vivid imagination, one that puts my own to shame.

It’s not unheard for “the West” to maintain good relationships and trade with countries engaged in armed conflicts or human rights violations, if there’re good economical and political reasons. So I won’t be surprised if after conflict has settled, “the West” will slowly restore relationship with Russia, maybe with a slightly different leadership (eg without Putin - but it doesn’t make much difference overall)

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by bilqis » Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 1:45 PM UTC

simion314 wrote: post #181

bilqis wrote: post #134

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It’s also a mistake to think that Putin is some kind of Czar with absolute ultimate power.

Please tell me who can stop Putin? - the chances that the parliament can do it are zero - the chances that the army can do it are small sicne he put in charge his incompetent but loyal people and has created his own military branch for his personal protection - the chance that public protestsc could do it are also small China has more influence on what Putin ca n\t do then Russians.

Putin doesn’t exist on his own and doesn’t act on his own. He has support from FSB, from capital, from right people there and there, he has influence. He can be removed and influenced by many many people. But you’re right with your assessments that nor parliament nor public protests can do shit with Putin and his goons.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by simion314 » Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 1:53 PM UTC

bilqis wrote: post #183

simion314 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please tell me who can stop Putin? - the chances that the parliament can do it are zero - the chances that the army can do it are small sicne he put in charge his incompetent but loyal people and has created his own military branch for his personal protection - the chance that public protestsc could do it are also small China has more influence on what Putin ca n\t do then Russians.

Putin doesn’t exist on his own and doesn’t act on his own. He has support from FSB, from capital, from right people there and there, he has influence. He can be removed and influenced by many many people. But you’re right with your assessments that nor parliament nor public protests can do shit with Putin and his goons.

It will not be easy for FSB to just remove him, they would need some convoluted plan and make sure someone would not tell Putin about it, on the other hand Putin can get any inconvenient individual poisoned or thrown of a window.

I could be wrong but FSB is kept in check by Putin private army branch, the main army is kept in check by the mercenaries, the mercenaries are controlled with money, the oligharchs are controlled with fear of FSB dudes killing them. So you would need all those to coordinate to eliminate Putin.

IMO largest changes would be a military intervention after Putin gives them some idiotic order like killing ethnic Russian civilians or some extreme suicide mission.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by InTheArena » Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 5:05 PM UTC

bigdict wrote: post #173

InTheArena wrote: post #165

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Simply ignoring the points? Just as a reminder, here they are again: Iraq gassed their own citizens, tried to assassinate a U.S. president, invaded their neighbors, engaged in terrorism (not Al Qaeda). At the time of the gulf war there were regularly trying to shoot down iUS and NATO aircraft in the no-fly zone designed to keep Saddam from killing the Kurds. Iraq was a horrible mistake and tragedy - but no oil was st…

Not sure why you are trying to move the goalposts. Look where our discussion started. In your more recent reply above you cherry-picked the features of both wars in a way that's supposed to make your argument look valid. You ignored facts that contradict it. I don't think you are arguing in good faith and are prepared to change your position. You seem to model Russia as "the enemy" that does everything bad. That's fi…

Iraq gassed their own citizens, tried to assassinate a U.S. president, invaded their neighbors, engaged in terrorism (not Al Qaeda). At the time of the gulf war there were regularly trying to shoot down iUS and NATO aircraft in the no-fly zone designed to keep Saddam from killing the Kurds. Iraq was a horrible mistake and tragedy - but no oil was stolen, nor was territory seized. While many people died, there was never any systematic assault on civilian populations - Iraq became a disaster because of an Iraqi civil war. It was a single country.

Compare to:

Russia is invading a country whose security they guaranteed. They are raping and murdering people, flattening cities and directly targeting infrastructure that is only for civilian purposes. They are attacking those who are not a threat to them, and never engaged in any of the above causes beli. They are I’m doing so to enlarge their nation and subjugate others. They are threading the same to other nations. They unleashed the largest European war since WWII.

Your inability to see a difference here is either astounding or predictable, depending on your core ideologies, but I have a solid suspicion of which I believe it is.