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Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

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Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#181
The main benefit of social networks is secure messaging. All the other features require a combination of a sophisticated frontend and a sufficiently general authorization mechanism.

One crazy idea is to build a basic messenger and let the users write channel policies in Datalog, a-la Biscuits.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wouldn't be first-tier friends with people you only know from the internet. You'd be first-tier friends with neighbors and cousins and the other parents at your kids' school. Then when I prove (keybase style) that I, HN user ineptech, am also "ineptech" on this social network, you would know that I really am a 48-year-old guy in Portland and not some other person because I have also friended all my irl friends, a…

But why ? Why would you expose your entire real life social circle to the internet?

I think the point is that you wouldn't be. The network, from your perspective, will be quite small.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#183
I feel like my main pain point is following someone and then their account gets censored and i don't get any updates. I feel like it'd be nice if a "follow" subscribes to an RSS feed. A platform can "filter out" a feed if it's "bad" but the feed is still live and i just need to use a different client.

Like the notification feed and the "timeline" feed are 2 separate things, maybe? I can click on a notification and it opens in a different client. Like apple can remove a podcast from the podcast app, but the podcaster can still publish on the rss feed and you can subscribe on a different client.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#184
post #91

In any social media design you have to take well known power laws into account. You may consider HN currently to be a highly engaging site but you have to consider why that is: a huge amount of eye balls is watching a tiny set of content, a list of a few dozens links. Next, if as little as 1% joins in discussion, the result is threads with substance. Great outcome, but you're probably ignoring that 99% didn't engage.…

Content warnings on Mastodon are just ridiculous

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#185

I think of HN as being a social network already. There is no need for another 'social network' in the world, actually less would be best.

I think of HN (And really, any other website driven by user-generated contented content like reddit and forums) to be social media but not a social network.

I consider social networks to be a subset of social media where the focus becomes following specific users and having a feed consist of posts made by specific users, whereas reddit has a feed consisting on posts on specific topics.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#186
If you really want to build a social network, don't fall into the trap that many side-projects and freeware products fall into: Trying to experiment. There really is no room for experimentation, because the market has already been there and tried that. Anything novel or unique you can think of, existing sites have already either experimented with, or decided against based on A/B testing.

Better to just make a "bland"/"vanilla" social network and focus on differentiating yourself by having a sterling reputation and "new car smell". Be like Google when Google was new:Just another search engine, but eh, it seems nicer than the rest somehow!

Facbook/Instagram is haunted by Cambridge Analytica and ongoing investigations and lawsuits around the world. Twitter has become Musk's playpen. LinkedIn is full of dark patterns (and that was even before Microsoft bought it!) TikTok is banned in several countries.

You also need to be able to make enough money from the project to keep the servers running, and pay engineers to fix bugs, and pay customer support people to do GDPR deletions and stuff like that. And you'll need moderators to keep the Nazis away. So, you'll need to build an advertising platform also.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#187
HN is a social network. (Nearly) All content is submitted by users. Rankings are influenced primarily by users. Users comment on the content. Conversations happen.

Your Ask HN is you collaborating on a social network. Without your content, and the content of users like you, this social network wouldn’t exist.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#188
> It requires a fundamental change from the reach model towards concentric social circles. The social network would allow users to arrange into small topical groups called social circles. These social circles would have a cap of 10 (arbitrary number) members. Each user could take part in many social circles. This inherently limits reach and therefore reduces the burden of misinformation, abuse, and moderation.

This reminds me of Google+. They had circles of people that you could share to. I actually thought it was quite brilliant, but in typical Google fashion, they killed it and had horrible marketing.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#189

Personally, I think something like mastodon is better for this purpose. You can post your HN related stuff hashtagged #hackernews and others might follow. That being said - IMHO if you want a social network or community, don’t call it a “communal product”. Products are for making money and whatnot.

Should social media be a profit-driven enterprise as a civilization-scale product?

It almost has to be.

Running a world-scale social network requires immense computing power. Those bills have to be paid, and there's not going to be much difference between "break-even-driven" and "profit-driven" at that scale.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#190

Fleeting idea that could be combined with that: a web-of-trust social network where you can only "friend" people in real life, by tapping phones. When you do so, the app might say, "The person you just met claims to be Joe Schmoe, do you want to vouch for them?" If you approve them, they can message you and vice versa. A friend of Joe's can see you in his friend list, and try to message you, and you can accept it if…

The first problem I see is separating my online identity with my real identity. I really don't want anyone at my job finding out which dog I am on the internet.

My coworkers and family really wouldn't appreciate my shit posting. :)

The second is friends of friends can get really awkward. There are some people who are friends with me that are also friends with people who never want to see me again.

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