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Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#121
I love the idea. In terms of numbers and caps, I think going with Dunbar's number of 150 might work best.

Cal Newport makes a point about how in the early days of Facebook, it was essentially mirroring your real world social network. In fact, I remember how fun and innocent Facebook was in its early days.

Perhaps the biggest shift in Facebook's evolution is towards algorithmic feed optimisation and expansion into more public areas that exceed dunbar's number.

Scuttlebutt (https://scuttlebutt.nz/) avoids this shift in its design by doing away with the "global singleton" network that Facebook, Instagram and other have.

Another interesting project that is bringing back self-sovreign identity is Bluesky's At protocol (https://atproto.com/) which also make the "algorithm" part of a feed open source.

Some building blocks that are worth considering: IPFS/IPLD (https://ipfs.tech/) and Hypercore (https://hypercore-protocol.org/).

Disclaimer: I work full time on IPFS

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

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post #121

I love the idea. In terms of numbers and caps, I think going with Dunbar's number of 150 might work best. Cal Newport makes a point about how in the early days of Facebook, it was essentially mirroring your real world social network. In fact, I remember how fun and innocent Facebook was in its early days. Perhaps the biggest shift in Facebook's evolution is towards algorithmic feed optimisation and expansion into mor…

I went through the hypercore page and I still don’t get it. Can you explain

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

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post #121

I love the idea. In terms of numbers and caps, I think going with Dunbar's number of 150 might work best. Cal Newport makes a point about how in the early days of Facebook, it was essentially mirroring your real world social network. In fact, I remember how fun and innocent Facebook was in its early days. Perhaps the biggest shift in Facebook's evolution is towards algorithmic feed optimisation and expansion into mor…

In case folks are curious: A stable release of Bluesky/ATProto's reference server, client, and dev tooling should land early next year. There's an active matrix channel if you want to follow closely at https://matrix.to/#/#bluesky-dev:matrix.org

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#124

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Vine was killed by Twitter. A foolish move given how popular TikTok is now.

I’m guessing the unit economics didn’t work. Different when a country like China decides its a strategic thing to do.

It was killed because the big names started talking unionizing.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#126
The building part is not a novel problem and probably not very interesting. I'm not a product person, so I don't have an alternative suggestion, but unless someone could explain to me how they plan to do it without advertising, I'm not helping. That's an ethical line for me and I wish it was for more people.

First thoughts on max 10 member groups - I'd probably opt for a simple group text for that use case. Nobody has to register for anything, trust some 3rd party, it's self-moderated. I'd need some decent incentive to invite some unknown 3rd party into something that's already working.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#127
post #40

Unpopular opinion: any social network, no matter how it’s architected will become terrible past a certain size. Perhaps some architectures will have different “maximum tolerable sizes” than others, but all will become intolerable once there is a large enough user base. More users, however, means more ad / tracking revenue, so these two ideas will always be at odds.

Agreed. Small, decentralised communities should be the way forward. We could call them forums ;-)

There is/was already a social network for that - Ning.

Back when social network platforms became A Thing they adopted OpenSocial - they had a news feed, notifications, etc - but each social network was completely isolated. I haven't taken a look at Ning since I worked on social networking apps about 12 years ago, so I have no clue how they've evolved since then.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

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You're being social right now, on Hacker News.

HN is social media, but it's not a social network. A network puts the emphasis on individual nodes (users) and the connections between them (following/friendship).

Correct. I love that the focus of HN is on discussing topics, not discussing individuals. Of course a topic could be an individual, like Elmo, but that's not the focus of the site itself. I don't follow any individuals on HN, I just respond to whomever I'm discussing a topic with and I don't care who that is.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#129
Fleeting idea that could be combined with that: a web-of-trust social network where you can only "friend" people in real life, by tapping phones.

When you do so, the app might say, "The person you just met claims to be Joe Schmoe, do you want to vouch for them?" If you approve them, they can message you and vice versa. A friend of Joe's can see you in his friend list, and try to message you, and you can accept it if you trust Joe, but they won't be a first-tier friend until you meet them. Your tweet-like posts can be seen by anyone, or your friends only, or people within N connections of you, as you prefer.

I think it could be implemented in a distributed way, with no central server, if some proportion of the users are willing to serve their traffic from a VPS rather than just their phone. If someone cheats (uses a fork of the app that lets them "friend" people they haven't met, create fake identities, lie about their friends graph, etc), it wouldn't affect you unless you trust them. Over enough time and with enough use, this might be good enough to figure out whether someone distant from you (e.g. someone you're about to make an Ebay purchase from) is using their real identity or not, as the "main" part of the overall friend graph that a real user with a lot of friends is connected to would be structurally distinguishable from the subnets created by cheaters.

(This is not a cherished idea I've been working on for years and am prepared to defend, just a random idea I thought I'd post in case it sparks an idea for someone, so be polite in ripping it to shreds pls)

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#130
post #6

I think what would really be great is a social media site that doesn't offer direct image or video hosting. A bit like how reddit used to be. You just have link aggregation, voting, and comments. That's it. Maybe in a nice, clean, minimal UI as well. This would lend itself to tech folk I think. If only it existed.

> link aggregation

One thing I've noticed over the years is that most social media companies have slowly started to discourage outbound links.

On reddit a surprising number of subs no longer allow you to just submit links, and a growing number require review before posting external content.

Even Twitter (before Musk) was clearly deprioritizing external links.

This is a bit troubling because it further leads to the "dead internet" where it gets harder and harder for people making interesting content independent of major sites to get visibility.

I think of the main reasons HN remains relatively high quality is its primary function is still aggregating pointers to elsewhere.

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