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Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by Natsu »

danilocampos wrote: post #125
NickPollard wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why aren't we reading articles saying 'Sales of Samsung USB cables banned' rather than 'Sales of Samsung Tablets banned'? I agree that the USB cable is rather a smoking gun - but it's the only one. If that's what's wrong, attack that . Don't go and use that to argue about everything else.

>So why aren't we reading articles saying 'Sales of Samsung USB cables banned' This almost borders on the deliberately obtuse, here. The USB cable doesn't exist in isolation, a decorative piece in the packaging, to be displayed on your desk as the proud owner of a Samsung product. The cable plugs into the tablets Samsung is selling . Only those tablets, no others. The cables serve no other use. These tablets have a p…

It's an ANSI-standard PDMI cable. David McLauchlan of Microsoft chaired the PDMI committee.

Anyone copying the no strain relief cables should be shot, though. I appear to have lost the charging cable for my Galaxy Tab, so I can't check that right now.

EDIT: Found them. The cables that came with my Tab have strain relievers. They're hard to see, but they're there. Point for Samsung.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by jcromartie »

ljf wrote: post #144
danilocampos wrote: post #102

I want these people who are running around saying there's no other way to design Samsung's stuff to explain to me one thing. Why, of all the devices on earth, does Samsung's tablet exactly mimic Apple's USB connector? I've got a Galaxy Tab sitting right next to me, here. The design isn't just similar, the dimensions are nearly identical. Explain it to me. Please. If you can offer a compelling case for why Samsung isn…

The cable is a PDMI cable, an industry standard developed by ANSI/CEA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Associatio... ), my Dell Streak comes with an identical one too, as do certain Android media players (Slacker G2). Info on PDMI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI Image of Dell Streak PDMI: http://www.images.technologyking.co.uk/25032011/hgggg.jpg

It looks like PDMI is just the Apple Dock Connector standardized.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by amartya916 »

WayneDB wrote: post #138
danilocampos wrote: post #102

I want these people who are running around saying there's no other way to design Samsung's stuff to explain to me one thing. Why, of all the devices on earth, does Samsung's tablet exactly mimic Apple's USB connector? I've got a Galaxy Tab sitting right next to me, here. The design isn't just similar, the dimensions are nearly identical. Explain it to me. Please. If you can offer a compelling case for why Samsung isn…

Do you really think that, without the USB connector being nearly identical, that Apple wouldn't be taking them to court?

I had posted this on another thread too, however, this discussion around Samsung's design "independence" is ridiculous. Unless one is a lawyer, it's fairly obvious that they ripped off Apple's designs, take a look at this link:http://www.reddit.com/tb/kr14a

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by stan_rogers »

Helianthus wrote: post #118
ianstormtaylor wrote: post #109

This article is fraught with frustratingly-incorrect use of the word "design". The author continually mistakes "design" for visual appearance. "Apple never designed the iPad. They undesigned the tablet. They focused on creating the simplest form possible. Every single decision is based on usability, readability, comfort, and focusing your eyes on the content itself." That's exactly what design is: finding the problem…

I'm furious over the use of the 'word' "undesign." THEY'RE DESTROYING MY LANGUAGE.

"un" is a productive negation prefix. That means that it can freely be used just about anywhere it makes lexical sense to use it; there is no list of approved verbs with which it may be used. Undesign is a perfectly valid word (and preferable to alternatives like dedesign in terms of aestheitics). Dictionaries cannot be expected to contain every variant of a word created by valid and systematic use of affixes.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by checker »

amartya916 wrote: post #183
WayneDB wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think that, without the USB connector being nearly identical, that Apple wouldn't be taking them to court?

I had posted this on another thread too, however, this discussion around Samsung's design "independence" is ridiculous. Unless one is a lawyer, it's fairly obvious that they ripped off Apple's designs, take a look at this link: http://www.reddit.com/tb/kr14a

This too: http://www.esphoneblog.com/2011/04/20/apple-vs-samsung-menu-...

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by checker »

phaus wrote: post #159
rickmb wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Name one. Please, this is a serious question. I would truly love to have an Android phone, an Android tablet or a Linux-compatible laptop with the same design and build quality as an Apple product. I've pretty much given up on manufacturers that clearly don't want my money. Audio and tv electronics, no problem. Hell, I can even get beautifully designed alarm clocks, toasters and even friggin' designer humidifiers, so…

Before I give some examples, just remember that claiming one device has an overall better design is highly subjective. However, build quality is more easily recognized. Asus' new Transformer Prime tablet is probably the best example of a product that matches or exceeds the build quality and design of an Apple product. Asus' original transformer tablet, while not as thin or light as the iPad, was also an extremely wel…

The Transformer Prime does look great.

As an aside, I can't decide whether its website is cool or not: http://eee.asus.com/en/eeepad/transformer-prime/features

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by sliverstorm »

kalid wrote: post #166
ljf wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cable is a PDMI cable, an industry standard developed by ANSI/CEA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Associatio... ), my Dell Streak comes with an identical one too, as do certain Android media players (Slacker G2). Info on PDMI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI Image of Dell Streak PDMI: http://www.images.technologyking.co.uk/25032011/hgggg.jpg

From the first paragraph of the wiki page: "It is designed as an alternative to the iPod interface which was used exclusively by Apple Inc." The connector looks like an attempt to confuse people with the iPod peripherals and visual branding. Why that exact shape?

I imagine PDMI came about because it's frankly a pretty good connector. I love me some USB, but USB aside it is one of the most feature-ful and reasonable portable device connectors I've known.

As for the shape of Samsung's plug, form follows function. USB plugs all mostly look the same too.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by samstave »

danilocampos wrote: post #102

I want these people who are running around saying there's no other way to design Samsung's stuff to explain to me one thing. Why, of all the devices on earth, does Samsung's tablet exactly mimic Apple's USB connector? I've got a Galaxy Tab sitting right next to me, here. The design isn't just similar, the dimensions are nearly identical. Explain it to me. Please. If you can offer a compelling case for why Samsung isn…

How about the MILLIONS of apple USB cables out there by iphone and ipad and ipod users where these same users may buy a samsung device and still be able to use their cables.

I have ~10 apple USB cables. I keep 1 in my backpack, 1 in the car, 1 in the bedroom, I have a 6' long one I bought from deal extreme and several others in various places.

I have an iPad - but I'm open to other devices and I hate it when I cant usethe cables I have.

(I have about 8 dell power adapters for the same reasons)

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by sliverstorm »

ljf wrote: post #144
danilocampos wrote: post #102

I want these people who are running around saying there's no other way to design Samsung's stuff to explain to me one thing. Why, of all the devices on earth, does Samsung's tablet exactly mimic Apple's USB connector? I've got a Galaxy Tab sitting right next to me, here. The design isn't just similar, the dimensions are nearly identical. Explain it to me. Please. If you can offer a compelling case for why Samsung isn…

The cable is a PDMI cable, an industry standard developed by ANSI/CEA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Associatio... ), my Dell Streak comes with an identical one too, as do certain Android media players (Slacker G2). Info on PDMI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI Image of Dell Streak PDMI: http://www.images.technologyking.co.uk/25032011/hgggg.jpg

It occurs to me there is a strong incentive to use a PDMI interface- many cars, devices and accessories that interface with the iPod use that interface. Is it IP theft to hook into devices that normally hook into the iPod?

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by X-Istence »

ctdonath wrote: post #82
X-Istence wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple never suggested that the margin should be the same as the background colour of the content. The author of the article is stating that would be even better.

I didn't suggest Apple suggested that. I'm noting that the author stated that color matched borders would be even better, but then abandoned the idea. I'm suggesting running with it in a manner which would benefit, instead of hinder, Samsung with an edge over Apple with a "what goes around comes around", "malicious obedience" unexpected consequence.

"Apple need be careful what they insist others do - it may be done, and well, and Apple prohibited from doing it too. Example:"

And then you use an example. From that sentence, quoted above, it sure does sound like you were suggesting that Apple insisted Samsung do this...

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