Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by dkonofalski » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 5:42 PM UTC

layer8 wrote: post #138

dkonofalski wrote: post #117

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Until it doesn't. I also gamble with this because I've never damaged my phone ever and I've had an iPhone since the OG. I'm not under any delusion, though, that this streak will last forever. I think I would currently need to damage/replace my phone twice to come out in the negative but that's still a possibility. I've been extremely careful and/or lucky.

I damage my phone every couple of years. So it happens, but not frequently enough to warrant AC+.

That doesn't mean that everyone has the same experience as you, though. All it takes is for you to damage your device 1 more time than usual for it to be worth it.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by phpisthebest » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 5:42 PM UTC

ElCheapo wrote: post #151

phpisthebest wrote: post #86

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I don't see how bringing up a right wing conspiracy meme adds anything to what your parent said. Your biometrics should be processed and gathered by the most secure parts of the device, which means going through more hoops to get a replacement.

It is neither right wing nor a conspiracy, the fact that you believe both of those things seems to be commentary on your sources of news content more than anything

>Your biometrics should be processed and gathered by the most secure parts of the device, which means going through more hoops to get a replacement.

The problem here is not just limited to biometrics but even if it where many many many many people have posted long commentary on how it could be implemented in a way that is friendly to right to repair, nothing about security is in compatible with repair. NOTHING

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by jonny_eh » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 5:43 PM UTC

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #177

Veliladon wrote: post #33

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The other thing is that Apple is trying to make things harder for people with large amounts of resources (think nation states) to exfiltrate data by using pwned components. Like when you take it into a repair shop, how do you know that the replacement part isn't compromised? If I was replacing the front facing FaceID complex I sure as hell would want verifiable Apple gear and it to be paired to the phone. Why would I…

Do you actually believe that nation states with shitton level funding can't waltz in and out of an original iPhone?

Maybe? But shouldn't we (and Apple) at least try to make things more secure?

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by reaperducer » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 5:43 PM UTC

unethical_ban wrote: post #85

SayMyName wrote: post #8

Odd article considering everything is still software locked to the phone. Sure it's easier to repair, but if you get your parts from anywhere else than apple's program directly, a lot of features will stop working. Hugh Jeffreys made a video interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8

I've been thinking about a future where deepfakes/AI are more everyday (which is soon). I can imagine Apple doing some kind of hardware-level signing of camera and video data, so that any image shot by an iPhone/iPad would have a signature declaring that is was not edited by the user in any way. Details on whether RAW or any kind of auto-cleanup could be included. In other words, a chain-of-custody kind of thing so t…

I can imagine Apple doing some kind of hardware-level signing of camera and video data, so that any image shot by an iPhone/iPad would have a signature declaring that is was not edited by the user in any way.

This exists, and is why the (Canon?) cameras used by police departments at crime scenes are so expensive.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 5:44 PM UTC

hot_gril wrote: post #171

anonymouse008 wrote: post #63

Apple Care + is going to become an insane profit center and an absolute no brainer when purchasing a new Apple device. This puts Apple’s recent “no limit to accidental repairs” policy update in perspective. When I saw that I said, “well I guess this is how they are going to use their cash reserves, because no way will this be net profitable” To boot, I always wondered why it was so cheap - $200 for AC+ then $29 per s…

$200 per year plus $30 per repair is still a lot. How often do you smash your phone? Generally insurance is never positive-EV for the buyer unless peace of mind is considered, and to that I say, it's cheaper to find peace with the risk of breaking your phone.

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by hot_gril » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 5:46 PM UTC

dkonofalski wrote: post #181

layer8 wrote: post #138

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I damage my phone every couple of years. So it happens, but not frequently enough to warrant AC+.

That doesn't mean that everyone has the same experience as you, though. All it takes is for you to damage your device 1 more time than usual for it to be worth it.

Yeah but Apple has probably found that on average the insurance isn't worth buying, otherwise they wouldn't offer it at this price. I guess it's worth buying if you know you're gonna break your phone even more frequently than the average AppleCare+ user does (which is likely more than the average iPhone user), but those $30 fees and the waiting time to repair a phone aren't free.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by randomdata » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 5:48 PM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #77

postalrat wrote: post #30

Now just put a usb-c port on the phone and allow me to use any web browser.

Web browsers, like communism, is a red herring. There would be absolutely no point to using alternative browser engines on an iPhone unless they got super special second party access. Not being able to run any downloaded code, no JIT, or extensions would make them useless, and allowing those things effectively breaks the iOS security model. Most obviously with screen time, and parental control, but Apple also disable…

Web browsers could be given super special access or some other suitable sandbox. We know how to do it, even if it comes with some tradeoffs.

Communism is a thought experiment about how people might organize if we ever achieved post-scarcity. We haven't yet figured out how to achieve post-scarcity. We have absolutely no idea how to do it, if it is possible at all.

Quite different.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 5:49 PM UTC

laserlight wrote: post #145

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #109

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>For certain replacement parts I can see this being important, like anything involved in Face ID or Touch ID. Those are secure elements. The back glass is not a secure element. That's just vendor lock-in malice for the sake of profiteering. Edit: Since I can reply to your comments below, your argument fails flat because: 1) SW lock-outs also apply to genuine apple parts, not just aftermarket ones 2) If the user's abi…

There's a charitable interpretation. Customers can now verify that the replacements are genuine Apple parts.

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by spogbiper » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 5:49 PM UTC

thathndude wrote: post #157

Really happy to see this write up. I’m probably in the tank, but I genuinely believe that Apple strives to do right by its customers, and to be a good company. it’s not a nonprofit, and I don’t expect them to act like one. Sometimes I feel like people enjoy piling on because they are the big dog. Again, please don’t mistake this comment for a blindness to some of its operations. But it’s nice to see them get credit f…

They are one of the most profitable companies in the world.. basically the opposite of a non-profit, and they do generally act like it. It's not unexpected, but it isn't good for me as a consumer.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by dkonofalski » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 5:51 PM UTC

hot_gril wrote: post #186

dkonofalski wrote: post #181

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That doesn't mean that everyone has the same experience as you, though. All it takes is for you to damage your device 1 more time than usual for it to be worth it.

Yeah but Apple has probably found that on average the insurance isn't worth buying, otherwise they wouldn't offer it at this price. I guess it's worth buying if you know you're gonna break your phone even more frequently than the average AppleCare+ user does (which is likely more than the average iPhone user), but those $30 fees and the waiting time to repair a phone aren't free.

AppleCare has always been a loss for Apple. The entire repair division is a loss for them. They don't make a profit from repairs. This update is partially marketing spin but, for a lot of users, it was worth buying before and is now even more of a value. If you look at the things that Apple prioritizes, they want to disincentivize self-repair because any quality variations reflect on them whether they did the repair or not.