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New documents reveal scale of US Government’s cell phone location data tracking

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Re: New documents reveal scale of US Government’s cell phone location data tracking

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When Google and apple came out during the pandemic and showed the anonymous data on every city… it was pretty obvious they were prepared for that way too quickly. It’s safe to assume, you’re tracked 24/7 and everything’s recorded imo.

Given that Apple and Google are both tech companies it was probably just a (say) python script to get that kind of thing going. For google especially the data and being able to iterate is how they keep their edge.

Re: New documents reveal scale of US Government’s cell phone location data tracking

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post #175

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> virtually every mobile app Reminder to readers to use F-Droid

naive question, if you use f droid and you have location services on, use a bunch of social apps, have google maps on it, use it normally, what extra layer will f droid have with all of those leaks anyways?

F-droid is an app store that carries only FOSS apps that do not have any Google API's. These apps are generally safe. Some may require your location such as maps to function. The difference with most of these mapping apps based on OSM.org is that they do not transmit your location anywhere.

You can still install other proprietary location harvesting apps on your phone. If you do so, you are just minimizing the number of data harvesters.

To ensure nobody but you knows where you are: 1. Have only safe apps installed. 2. An OS that does not send your location to Google, Apple, or others 3. Your SIM must not be transmitting to the Telco's. This means no SIM or airplane mode.

Re: New documents reveal scale of US Government’s cell phone location data tracking

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post #27

It's important everyone becomes educated about the fact that virtually every mobile app sells some part of your data that leads to some private company possessing the ability to draw a circle around your house on map and then detect all patterns of life without any PII. I don't think it's fair to pit this as a US gov't surveillance problem. It's true though - the Government missions involved, where this type of data…

> virtually every mobile app Reminder to readers to use F-Droid

Are the apps different if I download them from F-Droid? For example if I download Signal, is it different then the Play Store version?

Re: New documents reveal scale of US Government’s cell phone location data tracking

#184
post #54

I wish the apple privacy team would address this, otherwise what good are their privacy claims

Apple launched Private Relay in beta which is essentially a VPN (I believe).

Unfortunately only works in Safari and Mail. I wish they would make it work system-wide (like a real VPN).

Re: New documents reveal scale of US Government’s cell phone location data tracking

#185

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My understanding is that in the vast majority of these mass shooting cases, authorities are well aware of the danger but there's no enforcement mechanism for "probably going to do a mass shooting".

Yeah there is. It's called not paying to bombard them with great replacement conspiracy theories all for a decade and instead paying twice as many teachers as well as getting dedicated mental health staff.

>replacement conspiracy theories

https://europhobia.blog

Re: New documents reveal scale of US Government’s cell phone location data tracking

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Note that this is just records of some of the federal agencies, not all of them, according to the linked ACLU report: > "Although the litigation is ongoing, we are now making public the records that CBP, ICE, the U.S. Secret Service, the U.S. Coast Guard, and several offices within DHS Headquarters have provided us to date." The NSA is still vacuuming up all the metadata and a good fraction of the content from the ma…

Funny thing is, they started the surveillance in late-2001 to suck all the records up. Where did they get the computers and storage devices to do that all at once? They must have been installing equipment for months or years, especially since I am pretty sure they even built a new data center on Fort Mead for it around that time. Now, this is 2001, when building a datacenter didn't just involve spinning up 1000 AWS E…

Insider Bill Binney tried to do responsible data collection. He got harassed. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JvAflFcpJFQ

Re: New documents reveal scale of US Government’s cell phone location data tracking

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AT&T is able to tell when you activate your prepaid phone what other phones are nearby. Drug dealers have been unmasked using this. They thought they did everything right but someone had a normal phone plan near their phone as it was activated and then the pre-paid phones were around those with regular plan phones. Unmasking the whole group. The best way is buy the prepaid phone from a 7/11 type store. Wait 6 months,…

The level of effort to do that is insane lol Then the first time you talk, your voice unmasks you. I’d you have a phone near by or any microphone or camera you can theoretically be identified.

Never make voice calls with the SIM phone number. Only use the SIM for data when needed and away from your house. Always use VOIP, Signal, Jitsi, Jami..

Re: New documents reveal scale of US Government’s cell phone location data tracking

#188
post #66

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And yet, even with all of this surveillance, we still have mass shootings every five days.

surveillance doesn't seem to do much to deter crimes, it just makes investigation easier

Comprehensive surveillance makes blackmailing and controlling politicians easier.

Re: New documents reveal scale of US Government’s cell phone location data tracking

#189

I wish the apple privacy team would address this, otherwise what good are their privacy claims

Sincere question: what new steps would you recommend they take? The iOS location request prompt uses very clear language while allowing for granular access, and the granted permissions are easily reviewed in Settings. The App Store requires data usage disclosures, which are presented about as succinctly as possible. They could mandate that apps share absolutely no location data with any third party, but that would br…

One feature they could provide (but never will) is fake location data for apps that refuse to work without it.

I remember way back when CyanogenMod was a thing even they refused to implement this.

Re: New documents reveal scale of US Government’s cell phone location data tracking

#190

I'm starting to think that it's time to make an open source and open-data platform for this. Similar in scope to OSM, but for all people. The goal of the project would be to reveal to the average person how much data is being collected about them, and how easy it is - with the end goal being to influence legislation to curb these practices. As long as it remains in the shadows, it doesn't really affect the average pe…

Many of these harvesters offer data dumps to their products/users as required by California and other laws. They are quite eye opening. However few people ask for it. It may be willful ignorance. So even if you create this, many people won't want to see it and prefer to go on using their coveted brand of phone and apps. You would need to force them to look at it. See the fight scene in They Live.
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