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Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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Post by notch656a »

trhway wrote: post #180
notch656a wrote: post #178

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eVTOL aren't anywhere near to being certified for commercial flight, and anyone telling you they are is a charlatan trying to cash out on investment fraud. I know because I worked for a semi well known eVTOL entrepreneur who continually facilitated an enterprise engaged in lying to customers that they would get an eVTOL in short order when in fact the FARs didn't even provide a path to certification.

>the FARs didn't even provide a path to certification and that is the fight those people should spend their effort/money at.

You want a bunch of natives in a remote hamlet of Alaska to spend their time lobbying to change the FARs to enable deployment of experimental aircraft?

Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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Post by lovich »

cudgy wrote: post #172
lovich wrote: post #106

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> If other folks value the wilderness so much, they should pay folks in Alaska not to develop their land. We did. Congress used our tax dollars to purchase Alaska and then later on carved out part of that purchase as this reserve. It is in no way more their land than it is the New Yorker’s or the Californian’s.

Wasn’t California purchased from Mexico? According to this logic, the only people that truly own land to develop as they please are those that own property in areas that were seized from Indians without compensation like the original East Coast states.

More like, the national parks in California that are owned by the federal government aren’t free to be developed on. Again the Alaskans don’t want to develop their own land. They want to develop on the land that is jointly owned and that the rest of society wants to have remain undeveloped.

When you don’t have sole ownership of a piece of property you don’t have sole say in its use. I am sorry that’s Alaskans feel upset that they don’t have the right to use our property as they see fit

Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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Post by mod »

yellowapple wrote: post #167
mod wrote: post #162

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I'm kind of the guy you're directing this comment at, I think. I bought 40 acres adjacent to national forest service land and I keep about 38 acres of it wild. I try to improve the forest and provide good habitat, and I've been rewarded with a lot of wildlife. I've said in another comment, I'm an hour from a hospital. I am both doing a lot for my local ecosystems, and also demanding that a national forest owned by th…

> I'm kind of the guy you're directing this comment at, I think. I'm directing it at myself as much as anyone else. Like yeah, it's shitty that a gravel road could very well spiral into further ecological destruction and sprawl. It's also shitty to assume that it'll do so and use that assumption to actively hinder the quality of life for a community - especially when in all likelihood the vast majority of people want…

> it still wouldn't be my place to judge them for that

> We lack the context, the moral high ground, and the ability to make that choice on anyone else's behalf.

I don't disagree with these sentiments. I feel the same.

But I don't think I'm deciding for them. I'm not part of the deciding body. I'm voicing my opinion in opposition, and in defense of our wild lands. We all have different motivations, and some of them are bad for our planet. I think it's fine to stand against them, and still accept the different viewpoint of others. I don't consider people with different opinions to be my enemies. Nearly every belief I can hold is disbelieved by another human, and that's okay--truly. I think we need to be experimenting with many ways of life.

Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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Post by ivanhoe »

drekipus wrote: post #38
ivanhoe wrote: post #26

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We destroyed our local wilderness long time ago to make our lives safer and easier and more comfortable - and now we're judging others for wanting the same for their town...

Yes because we realise the mistakes

Did we really? Just go around and see all those sterile lawns in front of houses, drowned in herbicides and fertilizers, wasting all that space that could be easily turned into gardens or beautiful meadows (you literally just have to leave it alone and it will happen on its own).

But we're pissed on others for wanting a single gravel road, so that they don't die if some emergency happens...

As the old Serbian saying goes: "it's easy to beat hawthorns with someone else's penis"...

Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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Post by ivanhoe »

WalterBright wrote: post #39
ivanhoe wrote: post #30

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Whole US were a wilderness once... you're basically punishing them for not destroying their nature earlier on, like the rest of us did...

We have to stop the destruction of the wilderness at some point, or we'll all die.

Absolutely, WE should do exactly that (and there's a plenty of things that we can do to protect nature around ourselves) - instead of living in hyper-urbanized cities and pissing online on people who actually live for a century or more in a real untouched wilderness and haven't destroyed it in all that time, and now want one stupid gravel road through that unimaginably wast area. It's a raindrop in the ocean, but people love to focus their energy on isolated, far-away problems, rather than tackling real problems and the wider image.

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Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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Post by trhway »

notch656a wrote: post #181
trhway wrote: post #180

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>the FARs didn't even provide a path to certification and that is the fight those people should spend their effort/money at.

You want a bunch of natives in a remote hamlet of Alaska to spend their time lobbying to change the FARs to enable deployment of experimental aircraft?

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