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Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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It's important to understanding how just wrong the thinking behind this comment is. "Everyone needs X" does NOT mean that it's impossible for X to be subsidized, or for "the place that produces X" to be subsidized. > Flip this on it's head and we see that rural communities are providing a huge subsidy to urban communities in the form of labor and commodities. That's not how economics works. That's not how any of this…

Cities literally can’t sustain themselves without outside inputs - food, building materials, energy, etc. Subsidizing agriculture isn’t a “rural” subsidy, it’s a “population” subsidy.

> Subsidizing agriculture isn’t a “rural” subsidy, it’s a “population” subsidy.

It's both, actually. Just like if the government started paying for free, say, cloud storage, regardless of where anyone lives, that'd be a population subsidy on the consumer side, and an area/industry-specific subsidy on the producer side.

> Cities literally can’t sustain themselves without outside inputs - food, building materials, energy, etc.

Irrelevant. People need transportation, too, but if the government starts buying people bikes and cars, that's a subsidy.

Note that nobody's calling for the federal government to spend zero money in rural areas, when they talk about subsidies, they usually mean spending a disproportionate amount of money there. What "disproportionate" means is itself a question -- I think the most logical definition is "gets more federal $ in spending than they send to DC in tax revenue" but you could argue otherwise.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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+1 suburban / rural areas are heavily subsidized by the federal + state governments. It isn't cheap to maintain that amount of roads / utilities and I could certainly foresee a future in which it becomes much more expensive to leave so far apart.

Do you have any figures on this? I know during the Reagan administration the federal government heavily cut subsidization of rural areas, helping to accelerate their decline.

It's hard to find data on this is general. I've seen a couple maps before of counties within states, and their state-level spending/revenue, but finding the same for counties when it comes to federal revenue...never seen anything like that.

edit: I mean a map similar to this - https://streets.mn/2015/01/14/map-of-the-day-state-highway-t...

Though it should really be a percentage-based map using population size, rather than using absolute amounts.

edit2: ah, this is pretty decent, even though it's not a map - https://ofm.wa.gov/sites/default/files/public/dataresearch/f...

As you can see here, King County (Seattle and nearby suburbs) sends way more to the state in revenue than it gets in spending. Most of the other counties -- which are obviously low population -- receive more in spending than revenue. In other words, they're subsidized. From what I understand, this is pretty common within states.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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>I'd argue you need to think about climate change and whether the US will continue to subsidize rural life. Not to fault you, but you're a seriously urban-centric thinker. Rural productivity is vital to urban concentration. Raw material does not come from the depths of the subway system, nor do the land and seaports magically produce goods. Food, fiber, fuel, etc come from the rural reaches. Flip this on it's head an…

Increasingly, many of these rural primary industries will need on site tech workers as well. Rural Canada is where I'm located at the moment. I tend to agree with GP that cities are an inevitable migration towards efficiency and that rural life is increasingly an unsustainable welfare state.

Cities are the centers of knowledge work and financialization, not heavy industries and agriculture people need to survive. Humanity could live without cities, we did before, but it couldn’t live without what makes cities possible from afar.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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I grow up in a small town in a developing nations, and 3-4 of my friends from there work in tech, some remote from there, some elsewhere, some are webmasters.

There isn't many before or after us sadly, which is why I am thinking of helping somehow to change that.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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> I've heard that people tend to be very different to those you find in a city In a lot of cases this is true - and it's not just about tech. Rural communities are often more religious, more conservative, lower income, lower educated, and have a lot less access to opportunity. Cities also mean that there's often a critical mass for many interests and minority groups. Are you LGBT? Are you a religious or racial minori…

> It's also hard to know what you mean by "rural" since the distinction between suburban and rural is hard in the US.

> Maybe you're looking for a place like Saratoga Springs or Ashville, NC or Burlington, VT or Charlottesville, VA.

I can't speak to Asheville, Charlottesville, or Saratoga Springs, but I can say a little about Burlington.

Burlington is a city of 45,000 people with a lot of commercial activity for a U.S. city of that size. It's the home of the state's flagship university. It has a train station (technically just outside the city) that offers service to New York, Philadelphia, and D.C. It's not far from rural areas, but I wouldn't think it rural itself.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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Can you describe a bit more about what you mean by living a pastoral life? do you mean to grow your own food, run a farm etc. or continue your tech career but from rural area?

I'd like to continue my tech career from a rural area with 4+ acres to grow produce for my family and enjoy quiet and privacy

Re: Ask HN: Are there any rural tech communities?

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> I've heard that people tend to be very different to those you find in a city In a lot of cases this is true - and it's not just about tech. Rural communities are often more religious, more conservative, lower income, lower educated, and have a lot less access to opportunity. Cities also mean that there's often a critical mass for many interests and minority groups. Are you LGBT? Are you a religious or racial minori…

> Are you white, male, straight, Christian, etc.? A lot of rural places can become easier if you tick those boxes. If you don't tick those boxes, then you might start wondering how you might be treated differently from living in the city. I really loved the depiction in Lovecraft Country when the protagonists (black American) were pulled over and given a courtesy notice by the police officer that they were in a "sund…

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