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Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Post by wffurr »

Aicy wrote: post #141
Mc91 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same thing for me. I go to another city and pay a visit for a week, but say I need to be available on Teams from 9 to 5 and attend some meetings, and get some work done. Usually it slows me down a little, so I do some extra prep work before the visit and catch up when I return home. It's like a little vacation without taking time off.

What do you do on your city visits? I would like to do that but everything I like to do is only open during the day, and where I live by 5pm when I finish work it's dark and cold

Travel to a sunnier part of the world.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Post by riknox »

bob2222 wrote: post #131

This exactly the mindset at Barclays in the UK except we are a globally distributed across 5 offices. When they started their back to office nonsense they caused an exodus on our team in Glasgow and now we are all working fully remote for for 50% more money

Got to justify the absolutely massive campus they've built by the Clyde somehow. In my experience, there's been quite the PR push recently on how amazing this new campus is (I'm not a Barclays employee).

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Post by kamaal »

giantrobot wrote: post #171
kamaal wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So many people don't realise this. You haven't seen your cousin or a friend for a while? What is your perception of them now? I am sure all that Facebook liking and commenting hasn't given you a clue of what they are now, and more importantly even the perception of them from when you last had a chance to see them often has now been long forgotten/hazy. The facts here are anybody you don't see often, you don't know th…

> The facts here are anybody you don't see often, you don't know them well enough and they don't figure anywhere in your list of top people to give anything. Then you leave and find work with someone that doesn't have the attention span of a goldfish. If you're producing work of value you should be compensated. If the company is doing well then all of the employees should be doing well. No one should have to put on a…

>>Then you leave and find work with someone that doesn't have the attention span of a goldfish.

Which is basically every where and every one. The bad news is you now start at the bottom of your level at the new company.

>>If you're producing work of value you should be compensated.

How naive are developers really?

>>If the company is doing well then all of the employees should be doing well.

There's a pyramid everywhere, even at F/MAANG's. Some one is always paid more than others, and that some one isn't always making it up on merit.

>>No one should have to put on a song and dance for their managers to get their work recognized and rewarded.

Work isn't an anonymous exam, subjective judgement follows by merely existence of more than one person in a team.

>>If your manager can't remember you unless you're in front of them at all times they're not fit for their job.

Yeah sadly, in a performance review, its us being evaluated not them.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Post by imchillyb »

fcatalan wrote: post #70

"Emergency" WFH at my workplace have been slashed, everyone back in full since the start of the month. No reason publically given, been privately told "not about people like you, but some others have taken a 2 year vacation so management is fed up". I have emails from the CEO personally thanking me for my commitment in going way over what was expected when basically saving the institution during lockdown, so now I al…

Today it's a job-seeker's market, and that is likely to continue for some time to come.

If your company won't play ball, it's time to find another field to play in.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Post by xtiansimon »

mjevans wrote: post #122
endymi0n wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To say it with the words of my first boss that stuck with me: "Love it, change it or leave it. No amount of complaining will ever do anything else than paint you as a naysayer." Was a hard pill to swallow, but my own experience proved me again and again he was spot on.

In this case, would the 'change it' option be to just work from home and see what happens?

Exactly, but only if you’re ready to get fired.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Post by incomingpain »

A ton of businesses are dealing with a bad hand right now. They know they cant successfully force everyone back to the office. If news goes out about X entity is going back to the office. Recruiters go to linkedin and reach out to all of those people and offer them work from home and a raise.

Flipside, if you dont go back to the office. What are going doing holding so much $ and costs for nothing? Everyone who realizes this also cant rush out to sell. There's already loads of empty buildings and who is buying? Nobody, you'll get wrecked.

Then add on top, even if you decide to force everyone back into the office and accept the losses. How long until climate change or expensive gasoline forces people to just stay home??

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Post by evancoop »

fcatalan wrote: post #70

"Emergency" WFH at my workplace have been slashed, everyone back in full since the start of the month. No reason publically given, been privately told "not about people like you, but some others have taken a 2 year vacation so management is fed up". I have emails from the CEO personally thanking me for my commitment in going way over what was expected when basically saving the institution during lockdown, so now I al…

"...not about people like you."

My wife, who spent much of her career in corporate HR, would often note: "People who want to work, will work wherever you put them. People who don't want to work will find a way not to work wherever you put them."

The people who used WFH as a "2 year vacation" are the same people who will wander the office engaging in random conversations and scrolling Facebook the remainder of the day.

I always wondered why we presume traffic and cubicles are a cure for the lack of motivation.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Post by IMTDb »

Nextgrid wrote: post #172
matwood wrote: post #151

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> "not about people like you, but some others have taken a 2 year vacation so management is fed up" Then it's time to let people go. Early on in COVID leeway definitely needed to be given with daycares closed, people transitioning to WFH, etc... But at this point, if someone can't get their work done remotely, then they should find a non-remote job. We went fully remote prior to the pandemic, and I remember someone i…

Alternatively, if these people have taken a 2 year vacation and the company appears to be operating fine, maybe there's no problem? I don't understand why this issue is being raised now - surely they already have existing processes in place to deal with people who underperform, in which case those same processes can be applied regardless of WFH status. The fact that they haven't suggests that in the end work is being…

Alternatively, the world was in a state were these people really did not need really to be working because economy was so slow, and government grants were paying for those salaries anyway, so people were kept on the payroll.

Now that the economy is "back on track", we need them to be working - like they did before the pandemic, not like they did during the pandemic - so the work organisation gets back to a pre-pandemic state.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

bob2222 wrote: post #130
mjevans wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, would the 'change it' option be to just work from home and see what happens?

find a fully remote job if you can

Whats the market like right now? I have a feeling extremely tight as everyone wants a remote job now?

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Post by dzhiurgis »

imchillyb wrote: post #184
fcatalan wrote: post #70

"Emergency" WFH at my workplace have been slashed, everyone back in full since the start of the month. No reason publically given, been privately told "not about people like you, but some others have taken a 2 year vacation so management is fed up". I have emails from the CEO personally thanking me for my commitment in going way over what was expected when basically saving the institution during lockdown, so now I al…

Today it's a job-seeker's market, and that is likely to continue for some time to come. If your company won't play ball, it's time to find another field to play in.

If so many people are pissed off at coming back to office wouldn't remote jobs would be super demanded?

I've looked at some recently and tons of jobs require office presence. Finding something outside of US is near impossible.

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