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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by pdimitar »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #172
pdimitar wrote: post #131

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> Someone having the vaccine also doesn't increase the risk of someone else dying. It's pretty simple. This is a non-sequitur. I ask the reverse: how do I help society by vaccinating? Judging by the contemporary info out there -- I don't in any way or form. I don't reduce the spread and I won't reduce my symptoms because I got through it 3 times without realizing and only the first time was bad (and it was before the…

> how do I help society by vaccinating? Judging by the contemporary info out there -- I don't in any way or form. > So it's okay if people die of taking the vaccine but it's not okay if they die of Covid? Got it, thanks. The US is sitting on 860K deaths from 60m cases. A bit over 1%. Vaccine related deaths are about 6k2 in 187m people. Or 0.0018%. It's only no help if you consider reducing deaths by orders of magnitu…

I still don't understand how I'm helping society by vaccinating. Almost all scientists out there are saying that the vaccines don't stop the spread. So I won't contribute anything, plus I'm not keen on getting myocarditis while I'm in a shaky health condition due to pre-diabetic condition.

So why should I do it? I will not help anybody (and no I won't hog an ICU bed).

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by conductr »

stickfigure wrote: post #123
dagmx wrote: post #48

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This shows a gross misunderstanding of viruses. 1. Children don't exist in a vacuum. Even if they don't become symptomatic, they can still be a carrier and they can still infect adults that they're in contact with. Should teachers be sacrificing themselves? Should families isolate their children within the house? 2. It's a low risk to healthy children. What do you do for children with other health complications? Amer…

> Should teachers be sacrificing themselves? I want to directly address this one - I think the answer is yes. I still get in the engine and answer 911 calls. My wife still goes to the hospital and attends patients. Why shouldn't teachers go to work? Sure, some teachers are old and/or have health issues, and even with vaccination might be at unreasonable risk. Those people need to do something else (sure, with a lot o…

I agree with this, have since the beginning and it's very unpopular view discussing this on places like HN.

I'll never forget a passing encounter I had in March 2020 as things were starting to shut down in my area. I was at Lowe's (big box hardware store) and hadn't bought or even worn my first mask yet but knew the CDC was recommending social distance when I literally bumped into an elderly woman in a narrow aisle of the store. I apologized and commented how I didn't hear her come up behind me. Then I apologized again and said I'd step away as I hadn't got a mask yet (she hadn't either but I was being polite as she was obviously elderly/high risk). We chatted for a moment about everything that was going on in the community regarding closures/lockdowns. That's when she said, "this is all non-sense, when I grew up Polio was going around and we still went to school, the world has to keep moving on and life is not meant to be risk free".

I have thought about that conversation a lot as time has passed and while unpopular, I believe we over-reacted even given what we knew at the time. It was always going to take a toll but we made it quite a bit more expensive in many ways. Instead of ripping the bandaid off, we'll be pulling it away for quite some time and our kids will be impacted for their entire lives to varying degrees. I have a now 3 year old and in talking with PreK/PK3/PK4 teachers they are already seeing a drastic social/emotional shift of incoming children from the norm. I've heard accounts that slightly older kids have PTSD symptoms from the fear they experienced.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by bmeski »

coryrc wrote: post #125
rhizome wrote: post #22

I think one thing that will make the history books is how little innovation or adaptation there was in educational technology, rendering a truly depressing set of prospects for learning over the pandemic. A lot of companies have made a LOT of money in edutech going back to the 90s CDROM days and what do students get when the system escapes these companies's grasp and students need some real imagination put to the mat…

The entire concept of our "education" system is bankrupt. The very idea of keeping an entire age of children in lockstep across multiple subjects regardless of ability stifles actually solving any issues. Why would you expect the very people who perpetuate this injustice to even conceive of a solution let alone implement it?

Why is this being downvoted?

Are our kids not beautiful snowflakes on the spectrum of intelligence or is it just gender?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by TeeMassive »

medvezhenok wrote: post #162
TeeMassive wrote: post #152

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There are multiple reports that these are reported deaths with Covid, not because of Covid. And there is a big question of bias given how hospitals were financially rewarded by covid cases. Also strong lockdowns and high do not strongly correlate with hospitalizations or deaths.

Looking at excess deaths per capita (over trend) gives you a good-enough estimate of effects of COVID. Countries like New Zealand are actually below trend (negative deaths from COVID, even with similar lockdowns)

Correlation doesn't mean causation. Solitude, substance abuse, stress and economic hardships are all known linked causes that tend to drastically increase death rates. Drug overdoses killed nearly 100k people last year alone, not even counting the indirect or unreported deaths

Also you're comparing apple to oranges. Contrary to most Western countries, New-Zealand focused on sealing their country away, meaning they didn't have to have harsh lock downs for a long time.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by Mikeb85 »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #66
fny wrote: post #32

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What a classic HN response. Humans are social creatures. How are lockdowns and social distancing not causal? There's a reason long distance relationships fail and solitary confinement is an ultimate punishment. Add to this doomsday news on loop, confusing messaging on vaccines. I also have too, too much anecdata to counter this. I spent time helping families during the COVID crisis. The amount of confusion and uncert…

> There's a reason long distance relationships fail ??? “ Research has even shown that long distance couples tend to have the same or more satisfaction in their relationships than couples who are geographically close, and higher levels of dedication to their relationships and less feelings of being trapped.” https://time.com/5316307/best-long-distance-relationship-tip...

Survivorship bias. Most fail quickly, the only ones that make it are the super dedicated couples.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by colordrops »

dagmx wrote: post #94
colordrops wrote: post #60

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1. There should have been and were lockdowns early in the pandemic. Once vaccines were available teachers should be ready to teach, just like every other worker that interfaces with people. At least teachers see the same people every day unlike grocery store clerks. 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. The hospitalization rates of children have been around 1 per 1 million at peak infection periods. This is no wor…

Vaccines don't absolutely prevent infection. By the time the vaccines were out, we were already in a second wave with Delta which dramatically reduced the efficacy. Why should teachers, or anyone for that matter, be willing to risk their health? As a society, we treat too many people and jobs as literally expendable. You also don't address how children can be carriers even if covid doesn't affect them directly. Child…

> Comparing to the flu is just ridiculous

You are too easy to dismiss here. I wasn't comparing severity, but rather out understanding of the flu. Please re-read. Nevertheless, tens of thousands have died every year from the flu. Many more who do not die get post-viral syndromes. The symptoms change every year, sometimes with full body rashes, or severe congestion that lasts weeks. Sometimes it mutates into something deadly, like the last pandemic. The vaccines we've created are hardly effective. To pretend we understand the flu is to be willfully ignorant or disingenuous.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by TeeMassive »

nosuchthing wrote: post #161
TeeMassive wrote: post #132

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> 105 children hospitalised with Covid on 27-Dec With Covid. Not because of Covid. Most children at hospitals with Covid are incidental cases. Also the long covid figure from children comes from self report. Given the hysteria in some children and some parents I would take this measure with a huge grain of salt. Protip: don't use emotional Twitter post as your main source of information.

What? You clearly did not read the report that has proven autoantibodies were detected from mild covid cases associated with long covid symptoms. How do you explain the rise in children’s hospitalizations in areas with high covid rates? "A five-fold increase in pediatric admissions in New York City this month. Close to double the numbers admitted in Washington, DC. And nationwide, on average, pediatric hospitalizatio…

> autoantibodies were detected from mild covid cases associated with long covid symptoms

And? Just because someone has those antibodies doesn't mean he has long-covid.

> How do you explain the rise in children’s hospitalizations in areas with high covid rates?

>"A five-fold increase in pediatric admissions in New York City this month. Close to double the numbers admitted in Washington, DC. And nationwide, on average, pediatric hospitalizations are up 48% in just the past week." https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-omicron-variant...

Nothing in the article says because of Covid. And it is very easy to explain in fact. Hospitalizations always surge during holidays. Most notably due to falls and other respiratory viruses such as the flu which is known to be worse in children than covid.

Even so the article cites this data (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admis...) and says: "US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data released Tuesday showed that on average, 305 children have been in the hospital with Covid-19 on any given day over the week that ended Dec. 26.".

That 305 children in all the US.

The other articles you cited use the same deceptive framing.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by Dma54rhs »

chrissnell wrote: post #156
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #71

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When has there been a prolonged shutdown? I am in one of the heights of the Covid epidemic and we only shut down once in early 2020. Schools are still in person now at the height of omicron. What’re you talking about?

Los Angeles, one of the largest school districts in the USA, where there was no in-person school for over a year.

A whole year? Did one of the parent had to become stay at home parent or how can it even work for working class?

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Post by colordrops »

aemreunal wrote: post #85
colordrops wrote: post #70

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Way more people forget about (or aren't even aware of) isanother step beyond someone's infection - the externialities of covid measures. With the trillions of dollars lost, depression, suicide, businesses closed, undiagnosed and untreated illnesses, family feuds over the politicization of covid, delay in children's education and development, and countless other facets, it's not a stretch to say that the damage done b…

It's very true that things like depression, poverty, closing businesses, hunger, children's development being negatively affected, etc. are also externalities of COVID measures. Very true. Probably also true that we're not putting enough thought into them. Hence why I tries to be very careful to not say "everything we did is right". They're probably not. Hindsight is 20/20. > it's not a stretch to say that the damage…

Often enough that two of my family members died due to untreated non-covid ilness (kidney failure and diabetes), an uncle attempted suicide, and a cousin spiraled into depression and was hospitalized. I know dozens who have caught covid, and none were hospitalized. I doubt that I'm that much of an anomaly.
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