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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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post #175

My bet is that people will start posting a comment saying "upvote this comment if you want to downvote", the comment will rank first and it will be as if you have a public dislike count

The tiktok community has adopted a similar strategy for voting on comments. Someone will post a spicy comment, which gets a certain number of likes, then someone will reply with the comment "L" (as in "take the L, you lose"), which competes for likes.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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post #112

Has anyone built a browser plug in that we can down vote or up vote videos? Outside of Youtube?

It wouldn’t help. Not enough people would use it to be helpful. The chances of someone with the extension installed having watched and voted on the obscure tutorial you’re about to watch is near zero.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube doesn't f*** care. Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? Oh, they only upload on our platform? Thought so. They can do whatever they want and they won't lose a single user. In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest, while I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they ge…

Some of the more well-known YouTube creators are also on - Curiosity Stream/Nebula (Adam Neely, Mary Spender, Ali Abdaal, Thomas Frank, Super Bunnyhop) - LBRY/odysee (DistroTube) - FloatPlane (Linus Tech Tips) None of these has a nice recommender like YouTube, so you'll likely either have manual curation (Nebula, Floatplane) or drown in a sea of bad/uninteresting content (LBRY)

Firstly, the entire point of YouTube for me is the long tail. I don't watch any of those channels you listed, and the only two I've heard of are Linus and Adam Neely.

But the more important point is that even if all the many dozens of mostly small channels I subscribe to were on some other paid video service, I wouldn't want to track down and check in on all those services. Even just 3 would be a vastly worse experience than YouTube, especially since there would almost certainly be huge variation in the features and quality of their various web, mobile, and TV apps.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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post #61
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one has argued Youtube isn't allowed to do it. It is just customers complaining about the move. If McDonalds got rid of their Big Macs, people might complain about it, but that doesn't mean that McDonalds has a hamburger monopoly or that the complainers think McDonalds did something illegal or something they weren't allowed to do. It is just customers complaining about a feature they liked being removed.

If you go to the store, demand a Big Mac, and complain to all present that the Big Mac got cancelled, then they'd ask you to leave. And, sure, folks would be upset about being asked to leave.

Yes, and if McDonalds saw tens of thousands of people complaining that the Big Mac got cancelled, they might decide to uncancel it.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

#185
post #39

Do people actually look at the votes before watching a video? I don't think I've ever done that on YouTube. The outrage over this just seems so manufactured to me.

I don't think it's manufactured. I think there are two kinds of people:

* a smaller group of people who care about it (like me);

* and a majority of people who don't care either way about votes.

YouTube can satisfy both by keeping downvotes, but Google is notorious about not giving a fuck about users and only caring about results.

The small number of people who care about downvotes aren't going to stop watching because they're gone, so when viewed through the lens of Google's metrics these people simply don't exist at all.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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post #81

Hacker News has a similar problem with comments: net_votes = up_votes - down_votes You need at least two of the above variables to get an idea of both the direction and magnitude of the voting. Hacker News provides only one: net_votes. YouTube used to provide up_votes and down_votes, effectively providing all three. Now YouTube has reduced its information to up_votes, so they're now down to one variable in the equati…

Hacker News at least somewhat shows when a comment's net_votes is negative by fading the visibilty out. Which is kind of the exact opposite of YouTube's new system, showing only negative responses vs only positive responses.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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I can see why people would be annoyed at being shadow banned. Alternatively get your circle of friends to upload videos to your own site and manage the comments/spam as you see fit. I am not convinced by the arguments that Youtube is needed to handle bandwidth unless you are popular in which case you can probably afford throwing a few small CDN's at the problem. The harder part would be finding advertising partners a…

> Alternatively get your circle of friends to upload videos to your own site and manage the comments/spam as you see fit I’m confused by your suggestion. I have no interest in watching videos that my friends are uploading (because my friends aren’t uploading). How would having a site where my friends post videos help this situation?

The point being that if people moved from depending on YT and instead had their own circles of friends, at least one or two being technical then comments would be under the control of those people and not YT. If your circle of friends don't like particular comments, they can remove them. If you want up/down votes on your videos, you can implement it. The control is back in your court and the rules are entirely up to you and your friends, within the laws of your nation of course. Your friends don't have to upload videos and you don't have to watch them. I am of course assuming that you and your friends share similar interests, but really this is about control. YT has full control of their systems and always will.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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post #39

Do people actually look at the votes before watching a video? I don't think I've ever done that on YouTube. The outrage over this just seems so manufactured to me.

I'm with you. This feels a lot like when people grumble about some big company changing their logo. Mostly inconsequential but a vocal minority takes to the blogosphere to complain and it all dies down after a few months.

People rarely even use the like button, let alone the dislike. I'd wager the majority of casual users don't even know anything has changed.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

#189
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not related to the dislike feature in particular, but Youtube is definitely losing the next generation of creators. Plenty of people are using TikTok as their main platform nowadays, as it has bigger reach for their markets.

Some are already hedging their bets. Linus Tech Tips, which is a pretty big channel to say the least, launched their own Floatplane service which they use to give exclusive access to paying subscribers. Like early viewing, live streaming and videos that don't even end up on YouTube. They offer it to other channels as well. As far as I'm aware, it has no discovery so far (you need to know a channel URL). I wish Peertu…

That would be cool, but vertical integration does have a bunch of obvious advantages, which is why you see open source options often struggle compared to proprietary equivalents, like here, or with Discord vs IRC.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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I really hope this backfires spectacularly on YouTube and the zealots who pushed for this change are held professionally accountable. I already click on fewer videos in search results and recommendations because I can no longer gauge how worthwhile they are to try and watch. The end result? I'm sticking to my current channels. I can't be alone and knowing that YouTube takes recommended content so seriously, I have to…

I've heard of a number of Youtube creators that are also placing their content on Odysee as a potential backup. I first heard of this site from Dave at EEVblog: https://www.youtube.com/c/EevblogDave/videos https://odysee.com/@eevblog:7

Maybe I live under a rock, but I’ve never heard of odysee. I’m definitely checking them out. I love that their tag line is “welcome, we have dislikes.”
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