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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by BitwiseFool » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 9:05 PM UTC

1_player wrote: post #18

BitwiseFool wrote: post #6

I really hope this backfires spectacularly on YouTube and the zealots who pushed for this change are held professionally accountable. I already click on fewer videos in search results and recommendations because I can no longer gauge how worthwhile they are to try and watch. The end result? I'm sticking to my current channels. I can't be alone and knowing that YouTube takes recommended content so seriously, I have to…

Youtube doesn't f*** care. Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? Oh, they only upload on our platform? Thought so. They can do whatever they want and they won't lose a single user. In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest, while I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they ge…

>"I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they get from my Premium view."

That's why I choose to reward them through non YouTube platforms like Patreon. I've also noticed a huge trend in content creators making sponsorship deals that they embed in their own videos. I sense that canceling your YouTube premium won't hurt them as much as it used to in the past. Plus, you can give a portion of your subscription to them directly, should you so choose.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by oh_sigh » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 9:06 PM UTC

dynm wrote: post #12

I find this debate a little strange. My position is that youtube is a private company, they should be allowed to do whatever they want, and people should be able to choose a video service that meets their needs. If you feel that youtube is so dominant that this is cramming a "no dislikes" policy on the whole world, isn't the problem really that you think youtube is a monopoly, not dislikes per se? Edit: I clearly did…

No one has argued Youtube isn't allowed to do it. It is just customers complaining about the move. If McDonalds got rid of their Big Macs, people might complain about it, but that doesn't mean that McDonalds has a hamburger monopoly or that the complainers think McDonalds did something illegal or something they weren't allowed to do. It is just customers complaining about a feature they liked being removed.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by LinuxBender » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 9:06 PM UTC

I can see why people would be annoyed at being shadow banned. Alternatively get your circle of friends to upload videos to your own site and manage the comments/spam as you see fit. I am not convinced by the arguments that Youtube is needed to handle bandwidth unless you are popular in which case you can probably afford throwing a few small CDN's at the problem. The harder part would be finding advertising partners and embedding code for sponsors but apparently some youtubers are finding ways to do it.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by wbsss4412 » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 9:08 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #28

dynm wrote: post #12

I find this debate a little strange. My position is that youtube is a private company, they should be allowed to do whatever they want, and people should be able to choose a video service that meets their needs. If you feel that youtube is so dominant that this is cramming a "no dislikes" policy on the whole world, isn't the problem really that you think youtube is a monopoly, not dislikes per se? Edit: I clearly did…

The problem is that network effects determine what video service we use, mostly, as internet users. Saying that you could choose an alternative service is like the old argument that you could move to another country if you don't like it here [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergo_decedo

The thing is, it’s not just about some general “video service”, people want exactly what YouTube provides just without the specific things that they don’t like. Finding a specific service that does that is nigh impossible.

It is however totally possible to find or create and alternative video platform (this is something that plenty of YouTube creators already do). People just don’t want to make the trade offs that solution requires.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by judge2020 » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

dynm wrote: post #12

I find this debate a little strange. My position is that youtube is a private company, they should be allowed to do whatever they want, and people should be able to choose a video service that meets their needs. If you feel that youtube is so dominant that this is cramming a "no dislikes" policy on the whole world, isn't the problem really that you think youtube is a monopoly, not dislikes per se? Edit: I clearly did…

Everything stems from YT being a monopoly, but since YT is so ubiquitous it can feel good to vent/rant with everyone else about something we all agree on, and here it's that the dislike counter was removed for an arguably bad reason.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by tenpoundhammer » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

There is a youtube alternative that some creators are using called odysee. https://odysee.com/ . It still has the dislike button.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by crisdux » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

dynm wrote: post #12

I find this debate a little strange. My position is that youtube is a private company, they should be allowed to do whatever they want, and people should be able to choose a video service that meets their needs. If you feel that youtube is so dominant that this is cramming a "no dislikes" policy on the whole world, isn't the problem really that you think youtube is a monopoly, not dislikes per se? Edit: I clearly did…

I don't see how that is relevant to this debate. Of course they are free to make product changes. As a user I am free to dislike it and complain about it in an effort to get it to change. What do you suggest we do? Should we all just shut up? I've been a paid youtube premium member since the beginning. As well as a youtube tv subscriber. They should take user feedback seriously. But they aren't.

I use youtube for entertainment and learning. This change has seriously made youtube less useful to me on the learning side because the dislike count was a good signal to the quality of the information in the video.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by judge2020 » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

BitwiseFool wrote: post #41

1_player wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube doesn't f*** care. Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? Oh, they only upload on our platform? Thought so. They can do whatever they want and they won't lose a single user. In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest, while I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they ge…

>"I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they get from my Premium view." That's why I choose to reward them through non YouTube platforms like Patreon. I've also noticed a huge trend in content creators making sponsorship deals that they embed in their own videos. I sense that canceling your YouTube premium won't hurt them as much as it used to in the past. Plus, you can…

Do you know of any recent reports or tweets of YT Premium CPM vs ad-supported? The only report I have is from 2016 when YT Red was even smaller than what Premium is now: https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/totalbiscuit-youtube-red-p...

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by pier25 » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 9:12 PM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #39

Do people actually look at the votes before watching a video? I don't think I've ever done that on YouTube. The outrage over this just seems so manufactured to me.

Some times I do look at the votes while already watching the video, but that's it. Same with with the number of views.

I have a feeling Youtubers are probably the segment most annoyed by the change, which happen to be the ones with the megaphone.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by Lammy » Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 9:12 PM UTC

dynm wrote: post #12

I find this debate a little strange. My position is that youtube is a private company, they should be allowed to do whatever they want, and people should be able to choose a video service that meets their needs. If you feel that youtube is so dominant that this is cramming a "no dislikes" policy on the whole world, isn't the problem really that you think youtube is a monopoly, not dislikes per se? Edit: I clearly did…

These "private companies" are effectively governments of their own. Capital is global and claims no single nationality.

"'cause you are the government. You are jurisprudence. You are the volition. You are jurisdiction. And I make a difference too."