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U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by unobatbayar »

russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

Everything has two sides. Thanks to arms race, militarization; Human race advanced and will advance forward. Internet, computers, and so many other things we take for granted today are developed thanks to military ventures.

Also, military technology is probably one of the coolest, tech-savvy things we will ever have.

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Post by mlindner »

pvarangot wrote: post #28

This is propaganda, the US is the only military with operational space drones and space planes. They have the technology and enough budget to defend military and commercial satellites and just looking for political support to actually do so. The CCP military may be ahead in number of rockets but the US is way ahead in number of spy satellites by a far margin and can also commission civilian capabilities for this.

> This is propaganda, the US is the only military with operational space drones and space planes.

That's blatantly false.

https://time.com/5779315/russian-spacecraft-spy-satellite-sp...

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/911113352/new-chinese-space-p...

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Post by randomopining »

plandis wrote: post #154
nraynaud wrote: post #25

I just love the complete lack of self-awareness. Russia and China bad, the US is good.

You think that Putin and Xi are the good guys here? You really think the world would be a better place if the US let them be the world’s super powers?

These types lock onto a bad thing the US has done as the be all end all, and completely ignore the logically conclusion of a world controlled by Xi and Putin types… for example, none of this quality HN discussion would be available in Autocratica.

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Post by Eelongate »

djsbs wrote: post #166
Eelongate wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If SpaceX can get Starship flying at the price they predict, it would be a game-changer. Presently that seems like a big 'if'. It would pay to be the first nation with a Brilliant Pebbles installation, since such an installation could be used to deny any other nation the ability to create the same. Brilliant Pebbles isn't merely an anti-missile system; it could also be used to intercept rockets launching satellites,…

The Russians new ICBM don't go to space and fly a “low” altitude trajectory to avoid ABM defences. including, it seems, these pebbles. Anyway, the Russians or the Chinese, if they reasonably feel they’re being denied access to space will trigger the Kessler syndrome. what happens if the Russians counter the 1000 mini-pebbles in space with ten massive satellites filled with TNT, ball bearings and a remote trigger? Ult…

ICBMs by definition go to space, the B stands for Ballistic. FOB systems aren't ballistic either (that B stands for Bombardment), but still go to space and Brilliant Pebbles is designed to intercept missiles during the initial boost phase, so it would work against FOB systems too. Brilliant Pebbles, once in place, can stop any satellite launch, including those intended to trigger the Kessler syndrome. Of course, Russia might have such satellites in orbit already...

What Brilliant Pebbles wouldn't be any good against is cruise missiles that remain in the atmosphere, and ultra long range nuclear torpedoes. Russia is working on both, doubtlessly for this very reason.

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Post by randomopining »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #100
fallingknife wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the best way to prevent a Taiwan situation is to give them nukes. China would never invade if it meant losing their 10 largest cities. And when they throw a fit just say "but China, you already had nukes. Which part of China they are in is no concern of ours."

Wouldn't Taiwan need a credible second strike capability as well? The US probably can't credibly guarantee their safety, so they'd need to be able to do that themselves, otherwise the threat is empty and useless. But say the US really did arm Taiwan with first and second strike capabilities, I don't even think the US could stomach the reaction to that. How long could they hold out if embargoed by the PRC?

I always said the same thing. Give those 3 nukes and then declare defensive strike doctrine. My military friend says “it’s not a good idea” but I don’t see why. Call their bluff.

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Post by thatguy0900 »

dylan604 wrote: post #104
thatguy0900 wrote: post #80

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I mean those are the problems that are being worked on, I presume. Seems a little tautological to say we currently have no space defense/offense capabilities so it's senseless to invest in space defense/offense.

I see your point, but at the same time, whether it is a branch of the Air Force or its own branch, it's the same situation. I'm willing to stipulate that I'm basing my opinion at the farcical manner in which it was created, and how can we take anything seriously like that especially after their uniform design so clearly ripped off of scifi. Edit: sorry, I meant logo/emblem in place of uniform.

well, we can agree on the emblem lol

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Post by sudosysgen »

greeneggs wrote: post #159
russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

I don't see why looking at something closely is evidence of "malign intent." After all, the whole point of spy satellites is to look closely at other countries. You could say that it is risky, because there could be a collision, but that is quite different from malign intent, and this risk can be greatly mitigated.

You can see very closely from a distance at satellites. If you're getting close it's probably to tamper or to signal the capability to do so.

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Post by sudosysgen »

plandis wrote: post #161
Terry_Roll wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK, there is only one nation on this planet that has dropped a nuke on another country, that can put the rest of the world on edge. Besides you cant rush globalisation, cultural differences take time to evolve over generations, we haven't had the internet and other forms of communication for that many years in the scheme of things and there are still many people on this planet who have not even used or regularly u…

> Whose culture is right? What is right in the eyes of the law? Perhaps I’m the only one who feels this way based on the number of pro-China posts, but a Chinese hegemony would likely be a world of censorship and social credit. Compared to a flawed US democracy I’ll take the US democracy every time.

There will never be a Chinese hegemony. The actual decision is between US hegemony and a duopolar or multipolar world. The latter are pretty obviously preferable if you're not American or not very closely allied.

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Post by emodendroket »

Groxx wrote: post #163
snypher wrote: post #151

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The state of accepting something as honest or deserving of trust even though there is some doubt.

huh. that's basically the opposite of what I'd think of it as - on the American side of things, I read that as "shake them and see what falls out", i.e. see what they're hiding. I'm also not sure how to search for that kind of phrase though. "a good shake" / "give them a good shake" doesn't seem to find anything relevant in my google. Anyone know of effective ways to search for culturally-idiomatic phrases?

That's because the more usual form is "a fair shake." Here is a definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/a%20fair%20shake

> informal : a fair deal : fair treatment

> The judge gave him a fair shake, requiring him to perform community service.

> She expected to get a fair shake from her boss.

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Post by harlanlewis »

Groxx wrote: post #163
snypher wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The state of accepting something as honest or deserving of trust even though there is some doubt.

huh. that's basically the opposite of what I'd think of it as - on the American side of things, I read that as "shake them and see what falls out", i.e. see what they're hiding. I'm also not sure how to search for that kind of phrase though. "a good shake" / "give them a good shake" doesn't seem to find anything relevant in my google. Anyone know of effective ways to search for culturally-idiomatic phrases?

I’ve had good luck with https://english.stackexchange.com/ for questions like that, although may need to ask it yourself rather than find it in the archive. No doubt there’s reddit or two that are relevant as well.
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