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Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by javajosh »

ksec wrote: post #165
javajosh wrote: post #139

Sounds like they are selling Wifi++ - what confuses me is how/why Amazon is involved, apart from selling the hardware. Is there a subscription piece? The implication of this product concerns me, although maybe it's just a communication issue. Amazon is selling this as an Amazon product, but wifi isn't an Amazon product, nor is 5G. They are retailing the gear to put up a 5G network - so why call it a "product" and rol…

Basically Modern 5G ( allows ) moving most of the compute, controller to the cloud. That is why 5G is much more cost effective from Carrier's POV. For something truly like WiFi it would be Standalone NR-U ( New Radio Unlicensed ). I am just wondering if it will ever be cost effective for consumers.

>moving most of the compute, controller to the cloud

And when I hear that I think "SPOF, intense vendor lock-in".

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Post by [deleted] »

thrashh wrote: post #170
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The second comment. The telecoms via 5G have been positioning themselves to rent their infrastructure on-demand. The AWS partnership is this but Amazon then re-extending it to developers on their platform as part of their "Cloud" offerings. I doubt Amazon has many towers of their own here and are almost entirely through one of the telecoms.

Isn’t this service nothing related to using existing infrastructure? It looks like Amazon is sending you base stations to set up a private network in one location.

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Post by WORMS_EAT_WORMS »

vineyardmike wrote: post #168
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #129

Become a telecom as a service! Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon. With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud comput…

Huh? This doesn't seem to use AT&T at all, and amazon is actually bringing their own hardware too. This isn't MVNO-aaS. Its Antenae-aaS.

Ah, you're right. I am mistaken for AWS Wavelength.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by judge2020 »

vishnugupta wrote: post #167
pantulis wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't think that's the use case. how would AWS deploy a base station to my home? But you have a real point, and AWS already solved that with the 3G enabled Kindles by having carrier agreements. Why not doing that with Smart TVs?

> how would AWS deploy a base station to my home? The TV company will deploy base station(s) in my town. Embed SIM cards in TVs they ship. No need to connect to my home WiFi to send personalised data back to their servers, or to upgrade firmware etc.,

DirecTV already does this for their 'wireless' offering - you get a huge LTE modem and a bunch of receivers with sim cards in them.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ksec »

vineyardmike wrote: post #168
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #129

Become a telecom as a service! Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon. With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud comput…

Huh? This doesn't seem to use AT&T at all, and amazon is actually bringing their own hardware too. This isn't MVNO-aaS. Its Antenae-aaS.

Yes I dont think OP's description is an accurate usage of Private 5G. Where it is aiming at industrial ( warehouse ) or cooperate usage within certain location ( cooperate HQ ).

Not sure how Tesla or Uber would get their own private 5G.

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Post by kfarr »

jjoonathan wrote: post #147
vxNsr wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But you have a real point, and AWS already solved that with the 3G enabled Kindles by having carrier agreements. Amazon regretted that pretty soon after they did it, people hacked their kindles to be hotspots and it became an arms race amazon didn't wanna play.

Was that a big problem? I thought it was a single-intern sized problem.

Yeah tbh not hard to search for high bandwidth users abusing system and dealing with it on a case by case basis

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Post by AlexandrB »

the_arun wrote: post #30

Does this need an "id" (phone number) to communicate in 5G?

Almost certainly not a phone number. I think 3G/4G use IMSI[1] as the customer identifier. You only get a phone number if you're going to be doing voice calls over the carrier's network.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_mobile_subscribe...

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by no_time »

>Run a smart manufacturing facility

>Enable business-critical applications

I'm not sure what manufacturing facility are they talking about but at the places I know you will get ridiculed for even entertaining the idea of controlling infrastructure over anything but good old copper or fiber.

And they are right.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by slownews45 »

milesward wrote: post #166
slownews45 wrote: post #161

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Interesting, didn't Soracom end up going to KDDI in 2017? Is KDDI even getting rid of them / are they even for sale now or was this an old deal? $187M for an exit is not that large. Were they offering a price in that range to AWS? It feels a bit like some of the AWS IoT offerings are throw stuff at wall style.

No, the balk happened then, in 2017 AFAIK.

OK, that makes sense. That exit was not huge, would be interesting to compare price they wanted from AWS vs market price they got. AWS may have missed out if they were willing to go with AWS for less than they got.

I'm not THAT blown away by AWS offerings, they feel like copies of a couple of players offerings and at least when I last looked not THAT polished up. That said, plenty of folks will use AWS because they are already there. But it does feel like space for other still here maybe.

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