Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

phoronix.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

181–190 of 208 posts

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#181

Post by m0zg »

fsflover wrote: post #75
0des wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the reply, however, I cannot disable my personal values and preferences.

Could you tell us what are they based on? My ones are on security and control.

Not OP, but I prefer AMD nowadays because they're the underdog and we could use more competition. Of late they also started releasing great products, making it even easier for me to prefer them. If they ever outgrow Intel by a good margin, I'll switch back to Intel. It's not like the choice of the CPU matters all that much. I just want them to work harder for my money.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#182

Post by TranquilMarmot »

_qbjt wrote: post #103

I'm typing this on my Framework now and I have to say it really is a special device. The prevailing culture of treating technology as disposable is something I personally don't vibe with - I always keep all of my tech and have collected machines over the years that most people would probably consider obsolete and uninteresting (there's an Amiga 1000 and iMac G3 currently in my field of view). Having a fully open mach…

Also typing this on my Framework. I love it!

Having a USB-C port on each side of the laptop has been _so nice_. I have an M1 Macbook Pro for work and it only has USB-C ports on one side of the laptop. I'm not sure who designed that thing, but it's awful (they finally fixed this on the newest models).

I'm running Windows on it, using WSL2 for any development, and it's been great. I'll second that the display is amazing (also wish it was touch but... maybe someday)

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#183

Post by TranquilMarmot »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #63
mdp2021 wrote: post #19

There are no fanless CPUs among the options, and the consumptions are not explicit. The only battery mentioned is 55Wh. CPUs with the lowest consumption are (sorry for the obvious points) -- battery efficient, allow for more work per charge; -- silent, requiring no fan; -- often cheaper; -- still quite fast for normal use. So, I would not do without...

CPUs with higher power consumption are: - Irrelevant regarding battery life because I can get from my office to the conference room to my shop to my home and back to my office long before the battery dies even with hamstrung sleep states in modern processors; everywhere I work it's plugged in to a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and wall socket and I can't understand why you would use it otherwise. - Still quiet, because t…

> Still quiet, because the large heatsink is able to cool it while doing little work, and a large-diameter and thick fan doesn't have to spin like a jet turbine to cool it when it does need active cooling

Hmm... I have an i7 Framework (no VPro) and the fan on this things gets LOUD when it's under heavy load. Maybe I got used to my M1 Mac's fans never kicking on, but this thing is far from quiet. (I still love it though! Best laptop I've had in years)

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#184

Post by warner25 »

kevinherron wrote: post #141
ayushnix wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 4. The 3:2 display is awesome for programming and content creation, and I don't know why more devices don't adopt it. The display on the FrameWork laptop needs to be scaled fractionally (about ~1.6x) which is a deal breaker for me. It would've been far better if it had resolution of 3000x2000 or 3200x1800, which would've given it a PPI of ~270 and integer scaling at 2x. Linux support for fractional scaling with mul…

Totally agree. All these reviews are conveniently ignoring this. Some of them I’ve seen even just left it at 2x scaling and did the whole video with a giant cartoonish UI that had no actual usable space. For Linux users this display needs to be either 1500x1000 or 3000x2000.

Maybe I'm weird, but the 2x scaling on my Framework looks fine to me; not cartoonish. Xfce requires a few manual settings to get it right (which did frustrate me for the first week), while GNOME and Cinnamon appear to handle it well by default.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#185

Post by lwkl »

pydry wrote: post #96
Mikeb85 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strange considering other OEMs bundle it for the same cost as Linux. Framework's loss or they just don't consider it important?

Or Microsoft puts subtle, legally deniable pressure on the OEMs. I've never managed to buy the laptop i want without a windows license. Often it's been a PITA to take it off, too, to add insult to extra cost. In the 90s they threw their hands up and said it was nothing to do with them that this kept on happening and it was all a hare brained conspiracy. Until that memo came out and proved otherwise, of course. I can'…

I think if you buy in high enough volume you can buy devices from OEMs without a Windows license. I bought my ThinkPad that way and it cost about $100 less than the version with a Windows license.

I only got this deal over a project that procures hardware for universities and students. They offer a limited amount of models with a price that is about 20 - 30 % lower than retail. I guess big companies that order in the same volume get similar deals.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#186

Post by ayushnix »

warner25 wrote: post #184
kevinherron wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree. All these reviews are conveniently ignoring this. Some of them I’ve seen even just left it at 2x scaling and did the whole video with a giant cartoonish UI that had no actual usable space. For Linux users this display needs to be either 1500x1000 or 3000x2000.

Maybe I'm weird, but the 2x scaling on my Framework looks fine to me; not cartoonish. Xfce requires a few manual settings to get it right (which did frustrate me for the first week), while GNOME and Cinnamon appear to handle it well by default.

2x scaling on a display that needs 1.5x scaling would look cartoonish. Every GUI element — titlebars, headers, icons, menus etc would be bigger than they should be.

You could scale down the fonts to make the text bearable and not look like it was written for advertisement banners but then you've basically got a weird and broken setup that would be impossible to use with an external monitor or any other display.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#187

Post by ranguna »

I just got a new laptop from tuxedo Computers because they had an i7 11800h option. Their laptops aren't modular but right now I'm valuing performance over modularity, maybe in the future my next laptop will be a framework one, hopefully they'll have top specs by then. Keep up the awesome work framework team!

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#188

Post by rgoulter »

LNSY wrote: post #40

I'm left handed and track-pads have never agreed with me. Other people on this site have recommended the MNT Reform to me: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform It seems like a different flavor of an open source laptop that people who want a better keyboard and has the option of a trackball (!!!) instead of the trackpad. I think the MNT is going to be my next laptop, but the Frame.work is pretty cool.

MNT reform is also the best bet at getting a laptop with an ortholinear keyboard. https://www.reddit.com/comments/ocf32y

(I've seen some thinkpads with PCBs which use the Kailh chocs, but I don't think the laptop lids can close).

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#190

Post by GekkePrutser »

y7 wrote: post #155
sneak wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the EU mandate was 2 years, and AppleCare+ is 2 additional for a total (in the USA) of 3?

You're right, for most EU countries it's indeed 2 years. > The Directive offers a 2-year legal guarantee of conformity, from the date that the item was delivered to the consumer. Most countries have implemented a 2-year guarantee of conformity but six countries apply a longer duration, with 4 of them taking into account the expected lifespan of the product. https://www.evz.de/en/shopping-internet/guarantees-and-warra…

It depends a bit though. Usually the first mandatory year is manufacturer warranty and the second and further years (where applicable) seller warranty only. So Apple is only on the hook for this if you bought from them and even then the burden of proof is on the consumer.

https://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/uk/

Post reply on HN