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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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over_the_raibow wrote: post #177
probably_wrong wrote: post #81

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> Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? (...) I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it Became it's not about you , it's about everyone around you as a group. Those who are "comfortable catching the disease" are taking up a non-insignificant portion of available hospital beds, for instance, keeping health workers at their limit and preventing other people from…

>Became it's not about you, it's about everyone around you as a group. Those who are "comfortable catching the disease" are taking... Bla bla... Then why are you smoking, or why are you eating fast food, why are you not exercising? These actions also put a burden on the health system. Why do covid and not tobacco? You know the answer already. This is not about anyone s health

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

walterbell wrote: post #49
tfehring wrote: post #48

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Do you have a source for the claim that a vaccinated person is more likely than an unvaccinated person to transmit the virus asymptomatically?

That wasn't the claim. The claim was that an unvaccinated person can self-isolate when they observe symptoms. As the CDC said above, absence of symptoms is not a sufficient indicator for a vaccinated person. If a vaccinated person is tested regularly, they can self-isolate upon a positive test result, since they can't rely on symptoms as a signal.

The problem with COVID-19 all along has been that it is transmissible before being symptomatic. That is why it spread like wildfire when SARS and MERS did not. Listened to a good interview on NPR some months ago with a leading coronavirus expert who went over this in detail, but unfortunately can't remember her name or find the interview right now.

In any case, vaccines don't really change the equation here. Testing for temperature and symptoms with COVID have proven to be ineffective because asymptomatic transmission in the early stages is a thing with COVID-19 even without vaccination.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by Workaholic_87 »

version_five wrote: post #71
nanis wrote: post #64

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> I’m fully vaccinated Temporarily . I am assuming you had your second shot more than two weeks ago. Soon, the definition of "fully vaccinated" will change to require the third shot and you will be counted among the unvaccinated as it is currently done for people with a single shot or less than two weeks past their second shot when it comes to death/hospitalization stats. We are close to living in Arcadia[1]. [1]: ht…

Yeah, there are so many layers to this. I mean, a mandate for employers oversteps what government is allowed to do anyway. But that aside, if it was polio or something and there was one shot that basically ended it, you could see a rational path to a single mandate that got everyone vaccinated (btw I'd be curious to know polio, measles, etc vaccine rates, I think they are very high). But when "vaccinated" is essentia…

Good god, after sifting through endless amounts of senseless blabber on this topic, I want to frame the exert above.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by spuz »

captainredbeard wrote: post #37
eutropia wrote: post #34

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I'm not sure I understand the principle here of refusing the vaccine (which does reduce spread, though doesn't make it impossible). If your employer paid you to come in early or stay late to get the vaccine -- why refuse?

> If your employer paid you to come in early or stay late to get the vaccine -- why refuse? Because I make my own decisions and my willingness to do something is inversely proportional to how hard it is being pushed on me.

> Because I make my own decisions and my willingness to do something is inversely proportional to how hard it is being pushed on me.

I don't know you but I find this hard to believe. Which side of the road do you drive on? Do you wear a seatbelt? How fast do you drive? Do you throw your trash in the bin or on the ground? Do you wear clothes outside or go out naked? Do you go around threatening to harm people around you or just keep to yourself?

Unless you are going to tell me otherwise, I would assume you don't actually behave according to how hard you've been pushed to follow those rules but instead behave in ways that provide you the most benefit.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by 6d6b73 »

ghaff wrote: post #24
adamrezich wrote: post #17

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absolutely. I was hired this year to learn how the hell all the complicated stuff the 55- and 65-year-old programmers do every day works, and I've only learned a fraction of it so far.

The world is full of “irreplaceable” people.

Better version imho - Cementaries are full of irreplaceable people.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by fallingknife »

loonster wrote: post #178
anonymouse008 wrote: post #131

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Maybe slightly off topic, but it’s always been odd to me how life insurance tests with vigor for tobacco use but lack that enthusiasm for metabolic health / diet.

I believe Obamacare banned testing for everything except tobacco. Edit: oh life insurance, thanks.

That's for health insurance.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by ckdarby »

jansan wrote: post #164
matwood wrote: post #148

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Israel's overall vaccination rate is actually not that high. They were first out the gate, but tapered. They have also found the recent spike in cases to be focused in areas with low vaccination rates [1]. With the delta variant every unvaccinated person will likely end up becoming infected at some point. These unvaccinated pockets are where the large spikes are coming from, especially for severe disease. https://thr…

Again, they recently had (or still have) the highest case per million rate in the world! Compare this to Palestine, with a vaccination rate of about 10% and roughly 1/40 of the cases per million. You could argue that Palestine is one big pocket of unvaccinated people. Why are the cases so much lower? And how would the situation in Israel be without vaccines? Worse than now or the same as in Palestine?

Different countries, different events, different cultures, etc.

There is also the problem of having a sense of security when there is a large vaccinated population which causes the vaccinated population to resume a regular life. Those who are not vaccinated are now exposed to more people in general.

Example, my wife and I prior to being fully vaccinated interacted with less than 10 people in the 1.5 years. We had everything delivered and had someone do our Costco shopping and drop it off at our doorstep. With us both fully vaccinated we go to Costco for our groceries and indirectly come in contact with probably 50 people in a single visit.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by zpeti »

a4a4a4a4 wrote: post #145
zpeti wrote: post #121

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I remember having a beer at night with an Apple employee who halfway through started walking around the table. Apparently his smart watch was telling him his group of 5 people were under their target miles for the day and he had to walk a mile right now to have his daily quote done. He didn’t want to disappoint his fellow staff. Including his boss I think. Not quite what you posted but it certainty is similar.

What you're probably referring to is the "June Fitness Challenge", which is completely optional and just for fun (I don't do it, neither does my boss or half my team). You get a t-shirt or something if your team has a certain number of "active days" per month. It's not as draconian as it sounds.

Yeah I’m sure it seemed worse than it was, it was just funny it happening during a night out, and how it seemed to work on a group obedience emotion in my friend

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by 6d6b73 »

jasonhansel wrote: post #151

This doesn't go far enough. I think that state governments need to start mandating vaccinations for all eligible citizens. Such mandates are clearly constitutional and have a great deal of historical precedent (see Jacobson v. Massachusetts, which upheld vaccine mandates in 1905).

That case was against a law and not against an executive order. I'm tired of presidents ruling by decree - this should stop long time ago but it's getting worse with every president.

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Post by [deleted] »

tomrod wrote: post #170
anonymouse008 wrote: post #131

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Maybe slightly off topic, but it’s always been odd to me how life insurance tests with vigor for tobacco use but lack that enthusiasm for metabolic health / diet.

You can control your tobacco use. That is why Pigovian taxation is effective.

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