Free speech is table stakes for a free society. Those claiming otherwise are playing with fire.
Most societies function perfectly fine without a constitutional protection for speech. In fact a few countries rank better than the United States on press freedom without it.
Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis
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Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
You know free speech isn't the only civil liberty right?
Much like they just stay out of 2nd amendment… https://www.aclu.org/blog/civil-liberties/mobilization/aclus... As I support their efforts generally. I find picking and choosing seems counter to the what protecting our civil liberties means in a whole.
Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
There has never been a society where this is true. Certainly where I live, in the US, free speech is code for "white men are allowed to say whatever they want" while the speech of other groups can be violently repressed without consequence.
Yet here you are. Using your free speech to spread your anti-white message. Your voice is very repressed indeed. Shame you can't just say what you really want.
Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis
#184You could write a similar article about a lot of nonprofits, lately. "Once a Developer of Web Browsers, Mozilla Faces an Identity Crisis." "Once a Free Online Encyclopedia, the Wikimedia Foundation Faces an Identity Crisis."
I think theres probably an interesting full book here examining exactly how and why "cause based" orgs become all end up looking the same once they cross a certain threshold. Power, influence and money seem to be a magnet for more of itself, so it fundamentally shifts the guiding principal of each org as it grows bigger. Like why do no-profits and charities seem to corrupt their aim at a greater speed than for profit…
Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most societies function perfectly fine without a constitutional protection for speech. In fact a few countries rank better than the United States on press freedom without it.
This isn’t an argument about how good political scientists think journalists have it. The dispute is about free speech rights. For the people, plebeians of no special importance, not a priestly class with graduate degrees who have been anointed journalists by getting their Masters from the right J school, or getting an Ivy League degree.
Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis
#186Free speech is table stakes for a free society. Those claiming otherwise are playing with fire.
Most societies function perfectly fine without a constitutional protection for speech. In fact a few countries rank better than the United States on press freedom without it.
Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
You know free speech isn't the only civil liberty right?
It seems to me that certain people fixate on free speech because they have the luxury to be able to. It's like once they've progressed past a certain level of Maslow's hierarchy they forget about the previous levels. First step of the free speech agenda: Breathe.
Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same. I was turned off by the “my way or the highway” mentality on trans issues shown in their Twitter. Failure to defend 2A rights, now that NRA is clearly not principled in any way (maybe it never was), also bothered me. It is hard to imagine them defending an anti-trans person in 2021. As despicable as those people are, they still have civil rights. As a gay man, I would have been despicable for most of the past 1…
NRA never was, they wrote or substantially contributed to most of the Gun Laws we have today, they comprised the 2nd amendment way in never ending trail of "reasonable gun control" [1] GOA and SAF (Second Amendment Foundation) are far far better when it comes to actual legal challenges to laws that infringe the 2nd Amendment [1] https://i.imgur.com/TO8BGgw.png
Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
What speech is illegal? What is the list of words not allowed by law to be spoken?
Inciting "imminent lawless action" through speech is illegal in the United States: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action