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Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by tibbydudeza »

ghoward wrote: post #96
gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

More people need to see your comment because there seems to be a belief that full self driving is just around the corner. However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. In your case, the new lane was clearly marked, which just shows how weak the system really is. Imagine if there was snow covering the lane markings. Or sunlight reflecting off of the road confuses the visio…

There will always be an edge case that could result in a crash leading to a loss of life - don't think 99% is good enough that is why we won't have aircraft flying on autopilot all the time.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by tibbydudeza »

dmm wrote: post #109
ghoward wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More people need to see your comment because there seems to be a belief that full self driving is just around the corner. However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. In your case, the new lane was clearly marked, which just shows how weak the system really is. Imagine if there was snow covering the lane markings. Or sunlight reflecting off of the road confuses the visio…

> However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. I think it will happen but only by making many expensive, intrusive changes to our cities and roads to accommodate "self-driving" cars.

Yep that will be coming first - rail is a good example or a dedicated road for freight from say a factory complex to a port.

NY to Jersey - nope.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by [deleted] »

bob33212 wrote: post #161
chronic83027 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If in July the systems are safe and Beta FSD has improvements are you going to admit you were wrong about these things? Still waiting for the 2017 coast-to-coast FSD drive. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/866482406160609280

I'm not saying that FSD was done in 2017. But, How long are you going to hold on to that one? In 2024 when FSD is working really well are you still going to say, "Yeah I mean it work now, but what about that tweet from 2016"

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Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by sorenjan »

Lendal wrote: post #55

The irritating thing is it's all so unnecessary. My Tesla is a great car. But I paid an extra $10,000 for a feature that was promised but still hasn't been fully delivered, FSD. It feels like I paid extra for my awesome car to be sabotaged. What was promised by FSD was never going to be possible, and yet they are doubling down. They need to stop this idiocy. The vision system is horrible. The car stops at green light…

They're doubling down because their technoking can't admit he's wrong, and they keep getting away with it. Maybe a class-action lawsuit would be a good idea.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by tibbydudeza »

aplummer wrote: post #125
gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

With people hyping it and putting our lives in danger like this https://mobile.twitter.com/Scobleizer/status/139541771021799... (no hands on wheel) we’ve got plenty of tragedy to come

This guy killed Google Glass by really overhyping it.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by rootusrootus »

masklinn wrote: post #139
rootusrootus wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Tesla is very close to a do-or-die situation. They are in severe danger of being disrupted by the very automakers they took on. If they can't make a profit with the current market conditions (and they haven't, right? their profit is entirely due to credits?), I just don't think it's necessarily going to get any easier as time goes on. EVs are commodities.

> They are in severe danger of being disrupted by the very automakers they took on. The worst part is they’re nowhere near: the effective strength of Tesla is that they built a large and reliable network of fast chargers. I don’t know how non-Tesla charging is in the US, but in Europe it’s still a complete mess of half-assed crap, meaning if you don’t have a Tesla you either simply can’t make trips beyond a single-ch…

I've had a Tesla, and I still have a Bolt, so I have experienced both. The supercharging experience is smoother. But the standardized infrastructure generally works fine, even if it is more expensive.

What I think a lot of people are starting to realize is that the road trip angle is small. It needs to work, but it doesn't make or break the experience. In both cases I found that I did 99% of my charging at home, and so the experience has been the same.

The third-party networks are also collectively growing at a rate much faster than Tesla is growing the supercharger network. At some point in the foreseeable future it will be a disadvantage that you can only DC fast charge a Tesla at a proprietary supercharger.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by [deleted] »

bob33212 wrote: post #161
chronic83027 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If in July the systems are safe and Beta FSD has improvements are you going to admit you were wrong about these things? Still waiting for the 2017 coast-to-coast FSD drive. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/866482406160609280

I'm not saying that FSD was done in 2017. But, How long are you going to hold on to that one? In 2024 when FSD is working really well are you still going to say, "Yeah I mean it work now, but what about that tweet from 2016"

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Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by systemvoltage »

ghoward wrote: post #96
gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

More people need to see your comment because there seems to be a belief that full self driving is just around the corner. However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. In your case, the new lane was clearly marked, which just shows how weak the system really is. Imagine if there was snow covering the lane markings. Or sunlight reflecting off of the road confuses the visio…

Curiously - Are Humans are AGI benchmark? Or is there more upper room at AGI+ level intelligence? I just think that we're on a continuum from virus to Humans, Chimps being significantly lower on the intelligence scale compared to Humans. There is nothing that says continuum stops at Humans. So, I am curious if AGI is defined as something profound (Turing complete, beats humans at every imaginable task by a large margin or mathematically max intelligence?) or just someone who can converse in a Turing test with humans without giving it away or drive as good as humans.

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by gmadsen »

ghoward wrote: post #96
gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

More people need to see your comment because there seems to be a belief that full self driving is just around the corner. However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. In your case, the new lane was clearly marked, which just shows how weak the system really is. Imagine if there was snow covering the lane markings. Or sunlight reflecting off of the road confuses the visio…

It is disingenuous to equate general self driving with tesla autopilot.

The idea the full AGI is required is silly and incorrect. Waymo does not have these issues at all. It couldn't happen either. You don't need AGI to have a detailed map, you don't need AGI to properly localize to a detailed map.

these are problems Tesla is giving itself

Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

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Post by rootusrootus »

notJim wrote: post #167
chronic83027 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> meaning if you don’t have a Tesla you either simply can’t make trips beyond a single-charge round-trips You’re overestimating how many people make road trips > 200 miles. Most Americans never leave their hometown, with an even higher percentage who never left their state. For the middle class family who drives to visit grandma once a year in a different state, they’ll just use their ICE car.

> Most Americans never leave their hometown This can't possibly be right. Maybe they never move away , but never leave a radius of 200 miles from their home town? Do you have a cite for that?

Forbes [0] claims 11% have never left their state, but it doesn't cite a number for people who have never left their town. It has to be smaller, of course.

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/lealane/2019/05/02/percentage-o...

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