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Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by singpolyma3 »

jacob019 wrote: post #164
singpolyma3 wrote: post #74

Just letting people know, if you or a project you know is looking for a new home because of this, I can hook you up with chatroom over XMPP and web + optional IRC bridging, no charge for open source or free culture: https://cheogram.com/freedomware-muc/

XMPP MUC is is fantastic, but it seems like the only public chats are for developing XMPP clients.

There are a lot of those of course, but browsing https://search.jabber.network/ I see for example:

- xmpp:openhardware@conference.magicbroccoli.de?join for chatting about open hardware

- xmpp:discuss@conference.soprani.ca?join for chatting about bridges and opening up the phone network

- xmpp:floss@rooms.dismail.de?join for general FLOSS discussion

- xmpp:thinkpad-user@rooms.dismail.de?join for people who love thinkpads

- xmpp:libreparents@conference.singpolyma.net?join for discussion of the intersection of FLOSS life and parenting

Probably more, and I only looked for ones in English for this list :)

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by [deleted] »

necrotic_comp wrote: post #163
xvilka wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Matrix there is also a lack of good lightweight clients and servers. The official client uses Electron. It will never be an alternative to the IRC with this attitude. There is a Weechat plugin but it's in Python...

My hope is that bc it's an open protocol that it'll be simple to create local bridges to services and then hook those into an irc client. I agree with the parent that Discord and Slack are absolute messes and all I want is text on a screen with hyperlinks for chat. To that end, I tried to set a personal server up on a local box that I have running, but it didn't take. I'm surprised there aren't any good tutorials sit…

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Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by coldpie »

xvilka wrote: post #160
Wxc2jjJmST9XWWL wrote: post #145

Not sure about people pushing matrix as an alternative. I tried out Matrix several weeks ago and hated everything about it. From the account creation process, shiny modern UI, channel finding options, activity level (since you are basically constantly logged in, channels with even quite a lot of users have next to no activity for days at a time), kind of activity (and most of it was really poor activity, like someone…

With Matrix there is also a lack of good lightweight clients and servers. The official client uses Electron. It will never be an alternative to the IRC with this attitude. There is a Weechat plugin but it's in Python...

weechat-matrix seems to be the lightweight client of choice.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by viccuad »

newvectorllc wrote: post #54
orblivion wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many would move to Matrix?

Why does it matter? Matrix is no IRC. Fewer clients, way more complex protocol, the identity server is centralized, only one complete server implementation exists (and it seems like that's the only one that will ever exist, other attempts appear dead, despite the list on matrix.org) and worse than Freenode being owned by private capital, all of Matrix is controlled by New Vector LLC -- the protocol, the clients, and…

This is straight FUD.

The identity server is completely optional (you can just login with username & password), and you can opt out or swap it in element -> settings -> general. Also, there's plans for getting it replaced.

There are quite a handful clients and servers. They are replacing their most featureful server (Synapse) with other implementations (Dendrite) to not have a monoculture. Heck, the German government is sponsoring development of yet another server (conduit.rs, in Rust).

Your approach sounds like wanting everything implemented right away, and giving no leeway. And I don't think your attack on their CEO is relevant even. Their whole approach is based on that you shouldn't need to trust them at all.

Given that your handle is "newvectorllc" (the previous company name of Element), it strikes me that you are so hellbent on trying to paint them in a bad light.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by psy-q »

kawsper wrote: post #127
icy wrote: post #21

Made the switch. I quite like the short cloaks: icy (znc@user/icy) Staff are a little overloaded, understandably. Nickserv works, so now's the time to grab that nick you couldn't get on Freenode!

It seems like there's something wrong with NickServ: > 15:56 -NickServ(NickServ@services.libera.chat)- Sending email failed, sorry! Registration aborted It's probably just busy with the influx of new people :-)

Yeah, it worked fine for me a bit later.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by 0x426577617265 »

xvilka wrote: post #160
Wxc2jjJmST9XWWL wrote: post #145

Not sure about people pushing matrix as an alternative. I tried out Matrix several weeks ago and hated everything about it. From the account creation process, shiny modern UI, channel finding options, activity level (since you are basically constantly logged in, channels with even quite a lot of users have next to no activity for days at a time), kind of activity (and most of it was really poor activity, like someone…

With Matrix there is also a lack of good lightweight clients and servers. The official client uses Electron. It will never be an alternative to the IRC with this attitude. There is a Weechat plugin but it's in Python...

I setup a server a few months ago to get familiar with matrix. It wasn’t very lightweight either. I have since shut it down because I felt it was too resource intensive for the small amount of users that were using it.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by coldpie »

bjourne wrote: post #51

I have been on Freenode for the last 10 to 20 years but I have absolutely no clue what this is all about. Neither this resignation letter nor the last explains it very well other than that the resigning staff apparently wants me to quit Freenode and join their network instead. I see no compelling reason to do so. Understanding whether there is some "substance" to this drama appears completely impossible. [removed sni…

Ditto. Usually with this kind of drama there's some kind of smoking gun, but I'm really having a hard time seeing what's gone wrong here despite reading three or four summaries.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by jeltz »

xvilka wrote: post #160
Wxc2jjJmST9XWWL wrote: post #145

Not sure about people pushing matrix as an alternative. I tried out Matrix several weeks ago and hated everything about it. From the account creation process, shiny modern UI, channel finding options, activity level (since you are basically constantly logged in, channels with even quite a lot of users have next to no activity for days at a time), kind of activity (and most of it was really poor activity, like someone…

With Matrix there is also a lack of good lightweight clients and servers. The official client uses Electron. It will never be an alternative to the IRC with this attitude. There is a Weechat plugin but it's in Python...

The weechat plugin is being rewritten in Rust right now.

https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix-rs

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by dtakuma »

m-p-3 wrote: post #139
vlmutolo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you don't check, other people should know that this is extremely misleading. > Fewer clients, way more complex protocol This is actually a valid complaint, though it's partly due to Matrix being pretty young. The other part is that Matrix does a lot more for you than IRC (eg e2ee and federation) and those extra features require complexity. > The identity server is centralized This is a completely optional par…

> This one is way off. Synapse, the "one complete server" you must be referring to, is going to be deprecated. The Matrix Foundation team is working on Dendrite to replace it. Interesting, I've always been reticent to host my own instance because of how complex Synapse is to setup for the uninitiated. Hopefully Dendrite makes it simpler.

Doing the steps required manually was a little of a pain. I've found using an ansible playbook like https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy to be the easiest way to setup a homeserver.
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