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Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by nicbou » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 11:24 PM UTC

jimbob45 wrote: post #11

nicbou wrote: post #9

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Even then, you're at Google's mercy, since they control search traffic. I run my own website, but 85% of my traffic comes from Google. It's pretty much like getting 85% of your income from a single client.

More Cloudflare’s right? Because they can drop your DDOS protection or just block you from their DNS lookups, right? Like they did to 4chan/8chan.

I suppose, but as a regular business a demotion in search results is far more likely than a concerted effort to remove me from the internet.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by nicbou » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 11:25 PM UTC

VBprogrammer wrote: post #93

bryan_w wrote: post #67

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You could run an ad in a newspaper.

Are you being sarcastic? Conversation rates from newspapers are pretty much nonexistent (and difficult to measure).

My website is not advertising my business. My website is my business. I don't think the person above was thinking really hard about their comment.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by xwolfi » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 11:26 PM UTC

loosetypes wrote: post #170

Even with their own frontend, creators' content is still hosted and served via YouTube just with an embedded video player, no? Are there any viable alternatives out there? Vimeo? I'm not particularly knowledgeable on video streaming, is cost the main barrier?

Floatplane is self hosted. It s a replacement not a frontend (goal being if youtube kicks them out, they had least can try to survive)

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by cmeacham98 » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 11:26 PM UTC

tux1968 wrote: post #169

cmeacham98 wrote: post #168

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Disagree. "Trans women are men", in a similar vein to using he/his to refer to trans women, is a tactic used by bigots to indicate that they believe trans women are not "real women" and should be universally treated by society as men. When writing my comment I don't want to have to insert several sentences explaining the nuance that I understand and respect the gender of trans women, but that this is one of those rar…

Fair enough, but the reason they are being excluded from women's sport is because they are not seen as truly women. If they were indistinguishable from women, there would be no way to exclude them without excluding all women. So as soon as we have this discussion, we have to admit there is a difference between a transgender woman and a woman. It may be a bit clumsy to refer to them as men, but that is actually the ba…

What about someone with breasts, genitals, and other traits of a woman, but also the muscles and testosterone of a man? (I believe the common term for people like this is "intersex".) I think most people would agree they are a women, but also almost all people making the "trans women should play men's sports" argument would also think this person should play men's sports.

That's because the actual dividing line is a biological advantage. For cisgendered people this line is relatively cleanly drawn along gender, which leads to the names "men's sports" and "women's sports". However, there are groups of people for which this doesn't apply. Using it as an opportunity to call trans women men is needlessly insensitive in my opinion.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by JProthero » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 11:28 PM UTC

vl wrote: post #153

graeme wrote: post #70

I follow CGP Grey’s stuff and it’s been interesting and instructive to see how he diversified. * His Youtube channel is his main platform * However, the money mostly comes from patreon subscribers, and you can also have videos delivered there * He also earns income from a podcast, Cortex * The Podcast has its own brand of sellable things, currently journals and Tshirts * He had a second podcast, hello internet, curre…

CGP Grey is strange, so to say. He effectively abandoned Hello Internet. They once mentioned that they have 900K subs. Grey fully controlled HI, and it was way more popular than Cortex. If he wants to diversify so much abandoning project like this just doesn’t make sense. Also he has no basic decency to announce cancelation and left Tims hanging, for many of whom it was the podcast.

I've watched both Grey's and Haran's videos since their early years on YouTube, and I'd be curious to know what the story is behind the disappearance of their podcast. It seemed like an odd development to me in view of how engaged they both appeared to be with their audience.

I know that Haran eventually posted a brief comment on Reddit acknowledging the hiatus, but it struck me as a strangely subdued way to announce the end of a regular series that had been very successful for several years.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by konjin » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 11:28 PM UTC

celticninja wrote: post #180

konjin wrote: post #173

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Womb bearers needs special protections that former penis bearers do not need.

This sort of comment is transphobic. It adds nothing to the conversation and is made just to demean a group of peeople you dislike.

This sort of comment is sexist. It adds nothing to the conversation and is made just to demean a group of people you dislike.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by saklani » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 11:29 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #143

graeme wrote: post #70

I follow CGP Grey’s stuff and it’s been interesting and instructive to see how he diversified. * His Youtube channel is his main platform * However, the money mostly comes from patreon subscribers, and you can also have videos delivered there * He also earns income from a podcast, Cortex * The Podcast has its own brand of sellable things, currently journals and Tshirts * He had a second podcast, hello internet, curre…

> However, the money mostly comes from patreon subscribers, and you can also have videos delivered there Did he break that down publicly or do you get your info from elsewhere? I've always been curious to know what a typical high profile youtuber income flow looks like, and how much they're really tied to Youtube.

It’s probably an assumption based on the fact that CGP Grey is one of the highest paid creator on Patreon

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by teh_klev » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 11:31 PM UTC

Brakenshire wrote: post #166

teh_klev wrote: post #104

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I think the problem is that once you get to a certain volume of content it becomes eye wateringly expensive on Vimeo. Louis Rossmann explained this in a couple of his videos (I never bookmarked them). Even if he were to push just his repair videos (i.e. not including his opinion pieces) he'd fall into into a whole other universe of cost.

Surely the issue is that Vimeo doesn't have Google's adtech behemoth behind it, so either the creator or the audience has to pay for hosting, rather than it being paid for by advertising. Peertube seems perhaps a more credible competitor in that sense, by making hosting cheaper. As long as the creators can fund themselves with Patreon, merchandise or whatever else.

I think the key issue is being able to fail over to another video site if for some reason YouTube decides you're no longer the kind of creator they want. For Rossmann I think whatever ad-revenue he gets is pocket money (and I believe it's not a lot in the great scheme of things), he already has a functioning business that's revenue generating.

Also what guarantees are there when you come along and upload 10+ TB of archive footage to Peertube the network decides that's far too much? Their creator sign up page has an instance filter for "At Least 50GB" (which is quaint). And sure when you get the results back many instances say "Unlimited" storage, but there's "unlimited" and "get lost".

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by devoutsalsa » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 11:33 PM UTC

hobofan wrote: post #159

sithlord wrote: post #91

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Youtube could easily just obliterate a channel today, for some video posted 10 years ago if they deem it bad enough. Doubt if you had your own platform you'd delete yourself for something cringe you said 10 years ago

The general "danger" of old videos comes more from people digging up what was said and causing a shitstorm because of it, rather than Youtube themselves going out of their way to delete channels because of old videos. If people want to dig through your old videos and want to cause a shitstorm, self-hosting isn't going to protect you.

I don’t like a lot of the things being done by people who get deplatformed, but honestly I think there should be protections against cutting people off. Before the internet, I never worried about not being able to use the postal service or making a phone call. But now I worry about something stupid happening that obliterates my online life because Google decides to nuke my account.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by hashingroll » Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 11:36 PM UTC

> There is no algorithm, they're going to be served everything you make.

I am not sure how is this (lack of) feature mentioned as an advantage over youtube. Afaict there's certainly a video tab on the yt channel that displays videos sorted with time uploaded (and probably is modifiable). I understand that the point must be that people may want to not see the recommended videos, but don't most such visitors directly visit the yt channel. At least I use it like that.

(mandatory: googler, don't work on youtube)