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Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by bassman9000 »

bushbaba wrote: post #6
mc32 wrote: post #3

Somewhat recently a head of Microsoft was asked about forgoing access to the Chinese market if it meant protecting American interests in the face of new threats. He unequivocally said, yes. He was willing to forgo their market. I'm not sure Apple and others who either sell product there or have large manufacturing there are as willing to forgo the 'promise market', but it looks more and more we will have to. More or…

The us let’s Chinese firms generally speaking full access to the us market. The CCP doesn’t allow the us companies the same. Why our government let that happen. Letting so much business leave to the CCP will be one of the greatest failings of the us government.

Worse. Up until recently (2020), Chinese listed companies routinely failed to meet oversight rules, with Nasdaq's connivance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holding_Foreign_Companies_Acco...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EQUITABLE_Act

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-12-03/China-slams-new-audit-...

https://journals.library.columbia.edu/index.php/CBLR/announc...

In 2015, the SEC reached a settlement with the Chinese branches of the Big Four accounting firms on non-compliance with the PCAOB’s regulation, and the administrative proceeding against these firms was dismissed for four years.[15] Now, four years have passed, and the conflict of regulation remains unresolved.

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Post by crocodiletears »

fc373745 wrote: post #164
arthropodSeven wrote: post #153

The first half of the article refers without exception to this "Chinese operation." Only in this sentence in the middle of the article do they point out that there's only circumstantial evidence to attribute it to China: > But as with the Russian SolarWinds hackers, investigators have yet to identify who exactly the Hafnium hackers are—beyond Microsoft's assertion that they're state-sponsored and operate out of China…

Is state driven media possible in the US? If so, is it possible that the mass accumulation of hatred for the Chinese is a byproduct of state driven media?

The intelligence community has been known to direct and cultivate media assets. [0]

Less directly, much of news reporting is dependent upon access to exclusive and sometimes anonymous sources. There's little to prevent some of those sources from being honeypots meant to indirectly manipulate reporters into parroting a given narrative.

Even so, I doubt that antipathy towards China's being driven by any centralized authority. We're entering an era of great power competition with the country, its (ostensible) ideology has historically existed in opposition to the US, and many still see it as the poster-boogyman for the hollowing out of American industries.

There's always been tension, and ever since the Trump administration began imposing tariffs and clamping down against Chinese IP and technology theft, it's incidentally become more present in the public's consciousness.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

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kortilla wrote: post #173
fc373745 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is state driven media possible in the US? If so, is it possible that the mass accumulation of hatred for the Chinese is a byproduct of state driven media?

> hatred for the Chinese The equivocation of hatred for the Chinese and hatred for it’s government is itself Chinese government propaganda. Any time criticism comes up of the actions of their government, the deflection method is to say it’s just hatred for the Chinese. This is done to prevent the Chinese people from realizing that people in the West are on their side and they are not their government.

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Post by thekyle »

baybal2 wrote: post #169
bushbaba wrote: post #144

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You forget that China also is running up against their demographic clock. They have a very anti immigration culture, and the one child policy means they’ll have more retirees than working age in a decade or two. And it’ll only get worse as given their less than replacement birth rate and substantially more males than females.

> You forget that China also is running up against their demographic clock. A slightly aged China will still be able to field more military age men than the whole of Western bloc combined.

I don't know if having a large army matters that much in a nuclear war. I think its more a matter of who has the best antimissile defenses.

In the age of nuclear weapons having a large population might actually be a liability since you have more civilians that need to be defended.

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Post by yumraj »

sexy_seedbox wrote: post #172
e40 wrote: post #52

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I love the world we live in: everyone has an opinion on severely complex matters and proffers it in an absolutely confident way that their opinion is the truth. I don't like China's behavior (toward us and it's own). I don't believe for a minute that I know how to solve the problem, because every solution is bound to have unintended side effects, some which may be worse than the original problem.

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Post by bitcurious »

remarkEon wrote: post #103
carapace wrote: post #23

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Yeah, this. Chinese culture is much older and more widespread than the CCP. The Chinatown here in San Francisco is older than the state of California. We had our first Chinese New Year Parade in 1851. The Communists are the problem, and even then not unqualified: the CCP has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of relative poverty to economic prosperity, even as they do terrible things to Tibetans, Uighurs, and…

This is the hardest part about discussing this issue, for sure. The rapid technological and economic expansion achieved by CCP is the most impressive in all of human history in terms of numbers. It’s brutal, for sure, but that achievement means a lot of Chinese people are willing to look past the bad things, and look forward towards goals of further technological development. The important difference between the “Wes…

An equal, by some metrics greater, growth in living standards occurred in Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam. The great success of the CCP was getting out of the Chinese people’s way.

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Post by FpUser »

elefanten wrote: post #98
solosoyokaze wrote: post #78

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I think Microsoft and the current White House are on the extreme side of untrustworthy. What has MS ever done that was trustworthy? Their entire existence has been based on abusing a monopoly. The US government is also extremely untrustworthy (c.f. the 20th century). The combination of these two entities pushing the same story is a huge red flag. Who would I trust? I’ll start with someone providing some sort of proof…

That's a fantasy burden you've constructed. What would even count as "proof"? Anything that incrementally changes the field of possibility? Or something that definitely proves what happened? Microsoft has done untrustworthy things. They've also build the most successful (esp. in the longer view) commercial computing ecosystem because it hit the right balance between stability/robustness/usability. Many elements of th…

>"are you referring to the relatively most peaceful, humane, self-effacing hegemon that has ever been known the planet"

Millions of bombed, displaced and otherwise sanctioned to oblivion might disagree with this level of modesty and humility.

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Post by bllguo »

kortilla wrote: post #173
fc373745 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is state driven media possible in the US? If so, is it possible that the mass accumulation of hatred for the Chinese is a byproduct of state driven media?

> hatred for the Chinese The equivocation of hatred for the Chinese and hatred for it’s government is itself Chinese government propaganda. Any time criticism comes up of the actions of their government, the deflection method is to say it’s just hatred for the Chinese. This is done to prevent the Chinese people from realizing that people in the West are on their side and they are not their government.

funny that you say this as we are witnessing an uptick in anti-Asian hate crimes. you can't seriously think that nobody conflates the two?

and people in the West assuming they know best is as much of a problem as anything else. you're not on their side, you're speaking as if you're above them

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Post by v-yadli »

kortilla wrote: post #173
fc373745 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is state driven media possible in the US? If so, is it possible that the mass accumulation of hatred for the Chinese is a byproduct of state driven media?

> hatred for the Chinese The equivocation of hatred for the Chinese and hatred for it’s government is itself Chinese government propaganda. Any time criticism comes up of the actions of their government, the deflection method is to say it’s just hatred for the Chinese. This is done to prevent the Chinese people from realizing that people in the West are on their side and they are not their government.

> This is done to prevent the Chinese people from realizing that people in the West are on their side and they are not their government.

Currently there are more than 919.14 million CPC members in China (data point circa 2019), and this does not include the people working for 事业单位 (gov. funded public institutes). So for a random Chinese citizen, Western people have a, like, 3% chance of hate and 97% of love? If we propagate one hop further to the relatives/friends (let's say it knows 100 people in his/her life), the number goes to 4% of love and 96% of hate.

:-(

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