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Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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I'm just so offended that you would economically harm all the good people working at EBay due to political stances they might not even agree with. People are so reactionary these days. This is the real cancel culture.

Is this sarcasm? eBay is a publicly traded multi-billion dollar corporation. If they do something I hate, why would I ever shop there again?

Yes, it is very clearly sarcasm. "I'm just so offended" is your tip-off.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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I agree with you that it's a little weird that eBay has decided to draw the line there, but you might give a second thought to what constitutes "relatively mild offensiveness". These racist caricatures have a long and ugly history, and they persist. They may seem mild to you, but to people who have to deal with racist caricatures every day of their lives, it's unpleasant. Not just having to explain to your children w…

This HN topic in two acts. [ACT1] Comment here: "What bothers me is the speed with which this process ... happens. We are not discussing things anymore." [ACT2] jfengel discusses racism. Gets repeatedly downvoted.

Because most people disagree this is racist, but the opinion of the plebs is ignored and the deplatformings happen anyway without having a conversation first. Of course this was going to happen.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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Hysterical articles tend to use the word 'ban' when they really mean something like 'choosing not to air' or 'removing from the curriculum'.

In the U.S. "Banned Books Week" has existed since 1982 to commemorate books that someone tried to prevent the public, or students, from accessing in a particular place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_Books_Week This has almost always been metaphorical, because only a tiny minority of these cases involved someone trying to make a book illegal for everyone to possess or sell. You could accuse the ALA and the ABFF…

Also, BBW is used to promote reading to rebellious teens.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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Now this part is getting a little too carried away. It is one thing for libraries and bookstores to decide not to offer for borrowing or sale things that they disagree with. It is another (and overstepping imo) for Ebay to restrict individual people from selling to others goods that are not illegal or in violation of their other practical rules (no selling jewelry, monetary equivalents, etc). This falls into the cate…

Maybe you are not familiar with eBay's existing policies, but this seems to fall well in line with their prior behavior. From their official policy [1]:

>Listings that promote, perpetuate or glorify hatred, violence, or discrimination, including on the grounds of race, ethnicity, color, religion, gender or sexual orientation, aren't allowed. This includes but is not limited to the following:

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>Items with racist, anti-Semitic, or otherwise demeaning portrayals, for example through caricatures or other exaggerated features, including figurines, cartoons, housewares, historical advertisements, and golliwogs

I doubt the books would be banned under this policy alone, but the public uproar about them means they are going to be popular tokens among people who want them specifically because they are now deemed problematic and that group is going to include a lot of racists.

[1] - http://ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/of...

EDIT: Anyone want to explain any downvotes that don't amount to "I don't like eBay's policy"? OP was basically saying that eBay was opening a can of worms and all I did was point to an official eBay policy saying the can was already open.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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> It is one thing for libraries and bookstores to decide not to offer for borrowing or sale things that they disagree with. Private libraries can do whatever they like. Public ones should be required to carry even the most offensive book.

You realize that libraries are not infinite in space or capacity, right? Every book in a library necessarily pushes out some other book that could have been in there but didn't make the cut. Given that, libraries shouldn't be required to carry every book, they should optimize their collections for what their local users want to read. If it turns out that old out of print childrens' books aren't popular, then why shou…

Libraries have always been squarely against book banning however. Dr. Seuss is an immensely popular and historic children's author. No reason his books should not be in any library children's section.

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What data did your friend use to come to that conclusion? Would you be willing to share so we can come to our own conclusions based on the evidence presented?

Can you participate in one (1) conversation without asking for data or studies? Obviously he doesn't have a list of articles his friend used to make an offhand comment.

I wouldn't call it "obvious" that someone would accept another's opinion without any info to back it up and then extol it, though it's very interesting to me that you did.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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A bit off-topic, but I use Green Eggs and Ham to help teach my friends English here in Asia. It works pretty well, since there is quite a limited vocabulary. And it's pretty magical! I can have someone reading aloud from the book quite fluently, with extremely limited english skills, after only a few hours. The other part is, because of the superior illustration skills of the author, people quickly understand the dif…

The Seuss books being removed aren't Green Eggs & Ham: they're the older racist books that Seuss apologized for later.

Yes, we know. That's why I said "off-topic".

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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My work sent out a memo today regarding what pronouns I'm allowed to use. We're in the middle of a cultural revolution, and the current trend seems to be for rapid acceleration rather than moderation.

its not a cultural revolution, its a cultural intimidation, where groups have come to realize the real power of social media is to name, shame, and blame. there is no middle ground here, you cannot debate anything, as they consider no moral higher than what they profess. this is some serious Soviet Union type stuff being done to rewrite the world, no limits on how back one can go for an accusation, and then erasing p…

What’s happening is exactly the same as the Chinese cultural revolution.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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Am I not alone in thinking this Neo-puritanism is going too far?

Had you ever heard of these six books before today? Have you ever read them? How many were sold? We've been sanitising kids books for decades now. What version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory do you own? The original with actual African slaves and the colonialist rescue narrative, or the later version with Oompa Loompas and the colonialist rescue narrative? What version of Edward's Sneeze from the Thomas the Tan…

I bought a used version of an early edition of the original Where's Waldo on eBay. I later picked up a modern reprinting of all of them. My son and I were inspecting side-by-side and noticed some differences. Made the books more fun in a way (although if there had been something outrageously offensive in the original that would be a different matter).
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