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Thinking too much can be bad for you (2012)

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Re: Thinking too much can be bad for you (2012)

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Thinking keeps me awake. It's getting worse as I get older. Maybe it's anxiety or something related, and sometimes it's worried thoughts, but often it's just running through scenarios. Video games, media plots, what I need to do next week. My brain is far more active after 10pm, and I am personally more motivated. I get a burst of energy but it's not really the right time to clean the house so lying in bed has it all…

If you are not on any brain altering medication (or other drugs), try chamomile tea before bed time. Please read up on the chemical profile of chamomile tea as it will interact with certain brain medications (start here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2995283/).

Reducing artificial light after sundown and cutting out caffeine and listening to slow placed instrumental music (key being that there are no vocals/lyrics for the brain to attach to) has fixed my "awake brain" issue. Try to also avoid screen time before and in bed as each "new" thing you see (lets say, hackernews post titles) will activate your brain for a few minutes and keep it awake long after it has seen them. I use a single tea candle and switch off all other sources of light - it emits more than enough light! Basically you want to try to limit any inputs and have a consistent winding down ritual.

After a while the brain will accept this new ritual and will immediately get into a relaxed state if the lights go down and it hears a certain pace of music. For me, hang drum + flute music is the best, followed by calm asian instruments. When you listen to the same calm playlist over and over at bedtime, eventually you will know them. When you get to this stage, the brain will get bored with them at first - then you can double down and hum with the song (if you live alone of coarse). Try not to "talk" to yourself internally during your winding down ritual as it will keep the brain awake (don't try to convince the brain it is time to sleep, it will resist and fight back with more awareness).

Do this for 2 weeks and see if your night ritual improves. Obviously adjust it for your circumstances. Make it your special me-time. Choose the music to be unique and don't play those songs at other times. If you brain really wants to have a chat, ask it how it's been, tell it you are thankful for it and you will see it again in the morning! Make it your friend, don't fight it. I mean it. Be gentle and caring towards it, like you are it's father/mother, accept it for what it is.

The whole ritual last from 20 to 60 minutes, depending on how tired you are and how much conflict you accumulated during the day (conflicts being work frustrations, traffic frustrations, sexual frustration, doing things against your ideal solution, politics/news). These things all put pressure on the internal state and most people relieve those pressures either by sexual release, exercise or drugs/alcohol/food before bed. Having a self care ritual is another option. Sleep will do most of the work for us, but sleep is so much better if is not forced but rather gently simmered in. Fresh bed sheets & hot shower can also affect how comfortable the bed feels. A good mattress also helps. Natural smells also helps, so a drop of rose geranium, rubbed on your skin. Again, if you pick a specific flavour/smell to make part of your ritual, use it only during your winding time ritual and not during the day. You want to let the brain associate the music and smells and other environmental factors with "time to relax mode". Be consistent.

The thing that disturbs my peace the easiest is caffeine, even a single cup in the morning can effect my night time ritual.

Anyway. The above kind of what works for me, it's not medical/scientific based, hope it helps. Self care goes a long way!

Re: Thinking too much can be bad for you (2012)

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I'm exactly the same, only I've done it ever since I was very little and it simply never went away (I'm in my early 20s now). Usually I'm awake in my bed for at least an hour. Sometimes two. I just really can't stop thinking. It's not anxiety in my case. Any people here who were in a similar situation and were able to get rid of it, or make significant improvement?

I was in the exact same situation when I was a kid, I could stay awake in my bed for hours. It was extremely frustrating waking my mother at 3am to tell her that I can’t fall asleep. Nowadays, in my early 20s I can basically fall asleep in less than 3 minutes. I have no clue how this condition disappeared from my life. At least for me physical activity was not a factor in this condition, maybe I’m eating healthier th…

I can trivially explain my own situation. There is a random event or deadline that forces me to stay awake until 2AM. I am slightly sleepy 30 min before midnight. I push through to 0:30 after midnight and then the sleepiness starts going away until it comes back at 2AM. The next day my sleep cycle is now offset by 1 or 2 hours and I can no longer fall asleep at midnight.

It takes a week of consistent bed time to create a consistent time to fall asleep again.

Since I am fully aware of how my sleep cycle works my only conclusion is: I hate EXTERNAL EVENT.

Re: Thinking too much can be bad for you (2012)

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In chess there's an idiom for this. "Long think, wrong think" because it's a quite common phenomenon that very good players will ruin positions by rather than playing with their good instinct, over-analyzing a position, there's a related situation of the hardest games to win being already won positions because there's so many ways to win that people will on occasion start doing something really stupid akin to the exa…

>Alfred Whitehead's observation that 'civilisation advances by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking of them'.

Reminds me a bit of a quote I heard recently: "Tradition is a set of solutions for which we have forgotten the problems. Throw away the solution and you get the problem back."

Re: Thinking too much can be bad for you (2012)

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It's a weird term, "over engineering". Think about over-engineering a bridge. What does it look like? Huge and bulky, way too expensive, able to hold much more weight than it should, lots of walkways and access points and design features that nobody really wants? But wait: "any fool can build a bridge that doesn't fall down. It takes an engineer to build a bridge that just barely doesn't fall down." The whole point o…

When I say "over-engineering" I mean stuff like this: https://github.com/MarkSFrancis/enterprise-fizz-buzz Building a whole ton of stuff, just to do something fairly trivial.

Just to be very clear, that application is intended as a joke. (just in case)

Re: Thinking too much can be bad for you (2012)

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post #129

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The "Hagakure" literally starts with something like "The art of the samurai lies in a way of dying. A samurai warrior enters battle as if already dead."

It also started 150 years after the last Samurai battle, during a time when the Samurai were a bureaucratic clerical class. A fantasy nostalgia written by a clerk who had never seen battle or a fight of any kind.

Given that Bakumatsu and Meiji restoration happened in the 1850s the “last Samurai fight” happened only much later. The period in question was an attempt to keep fighters in check and prevent Shogun to be overthrown.

Bushido was real, Hagakure was written by a scribe from discussions with a holder of Bushido because before that Bushido was mostly transmitted through oral tradition. That daimyo was one to challenge useless deaths such as junji, so it’s not like he was entirely a fan of the whole thing but he probably lived by Bushido very much to the core.

Put into context that looks suspiciously like an interview for historical records and persistence in writing of an oral tradition. I would not be surprised if it was published only after the daimyo’s death because he made a vow to keep this knowledge secret, which was still common up to last century (Katori Shinto Ryu was probably one of the first schools to officially break with that and share previously secret knowledge about fighting technique and philosophy)

Now, there is romanticisation of Bushido and Samurai, but mostly from 1900s imperialism and WW2 propaganda which taints our glasses very much.

Re: Thinking too much can be bad for you (2012)

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In chess there's an idiom for this. "Long think, wrong think" because it's a quite common phenomenon that very good players will ruin positions by rather than playing with their good instinct, over-analyzing a position, there's a related situation of the hardest games to win being already won positions because there's so many ways to win that people will on occasion start doing something really stupid akin to the exa…

I was thinking about this the other day. When I was a kid I'd think 1-12 moves ahead, I'd obviously learned to prune bad moves and it worked pretty well for me.

But then thinking about it, this is exactly the wrong way to train your brain. It's job isn't to evaluate every single position, but rather to train it in the form of a "neural network" to institutionally recognize good vs. bad positions, and to expand on that.

Looking at some high ranked players online, this seems to be the way they recognize positions and possibilities.

Re: Thinking too much can be bad for you (2012)

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> civilisation advances by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking of them Interesting take. My first thought was that this relates to societal trust, a cornerstone of civilization. I can buy food from someone I've never met, and keep myself fed, 'without thinking'. Related: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liars_and_Outliers * https://www.schneier.com/books/liars-and-outlier…

That’s an interesting point. Makes me think of the loops that are required to be jumped through to enable a trustless digital currency like Bitcoin. The entire network, with transactions of about 1kB in size, can do at most 7 transactions per second (3-4 orders of magnitude lower than Visanet, which itself is lower throughput than all the world’s physical cash transactions could theoretically do if everyone bought on…

There are quite a few places in bitcoin where trust is required. For example, the software is developed by a relatively small group of core devs and 99%+ of bitcoin users will never read that code (and its dependencies) to see if it contains backdoors. We just have to trust the devs to "do it right" and not get compromised by either greed or blackmailed by external parties. If you presuppose a sophisticated enough attacker, the distribution methods could be MITMed so that the distributed binaries are not what is in the source code. The various miner pools could be compromised as well so that they run different software than the "main" bitcoin branch (but with a similar interface). If you accept that crypto exchanges are essential to bring down the barrier to entry, they need to be trusted as well. For any transaction also involving an exchange of goods or services not on the blockchain, you need to either trust the counterparty to actually fulfill their obligations, you have to involve a (trusted) clearing house or you have to trust the legal system to enforce the contract.

Tbh, trustlessness in payment systems is pretty much unachievable at scale. And if you are going to need trusted parties anyway, why have a blockchain in the first place? You can get a much better solution with a centralized database managed by the trusted party.

Re: Thinking too much can be bad for you (2012)

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When I think about the human brain and evolution, I don't view a large brain as a good or a bad thing or something that makes humans more capable than other animals or having a competitive edge.

It's weird how humans are so often suffering from depression, it seems like a larger brain is more the result of an organ gaining in size for all the bad reasons: anxiety, overthinking, mental illness, etc.

Re: Thinking too much can be bad for you (2012)

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"civilisation advances by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking of them" Similar concept is applied to programming, we call that concept abstraction.

That's completely different, and not wholely beneficial either. The piper's due is merely deferred until the last of the original abstractor's guard dies, then everyome who relied on it has to rederive the fundamentals, or stagnate.

This is wholly untrue. It is very possible to maintain a subset of the population to guard the knowledge of the fundamentals so that the rest never has to worry about the abstraction failing in any real sense. For example, humanity has abstracted away the vagaries of internal combustion engines for car propulsion through a standardized interface and the "last of the original abstractor's guard" for combustion engines died several decades ago.
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