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Hiring people on a 45-day notice would only make it take longer...
No it would not.
Training itself can take 6 weeks+
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Edited my post with some more details. While LinkedIn is a social media site of sorts, it's outside what I believe the focus of the investigation to be.
LinkedIn has a lot of teens on it actually. Very talented teens some, others are teens of average talent level. But they do have teens. They are also about 3 times bigger than discord. I think you could argue either way, because there may be a larger absolute number of teens on discord? The numbers are not broken out enough to tell. But given the nature of what we're dealing with, I wouldn't discount the idea of them…
I agree that LinkedIn probably has some similar risks to the sites that have been issued response orders. But, if the goal is create legislation around those risks, I'm not sure it is necessary (at this time) to also query LinkedIn (and the many other sites with similar risks). The ones on the list can likely provide enough information for this initial inquiry.
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By some metrics, iMessage is the biggest messaging service in the US. Arguably, from the POV of the FTC as a US regulator, WhatsApp shouldn't be included but Apple SHOULD be. This is of course ignoring other social features of Apple products such as Game Center, Find My Friends and Facetime.
Apple Message is a message service. Its features include a way to personalize messages. It's not collecting personal/demographic information, it's not trying to increase user engagement (addictiveness), it's not serving ads. So, it clearly is outside the scope of the information that the FTC is trying to gather.
iMessage is E2EE (according to Apple). But Apple can still see who's messaging who. With that you get an intimate social graph. Similar to what the NSA has on US citizens via phone records. Apple also says they don't sell your personal info to advertisers. But they can still use that data however they like, and there's nothing stopping them from selling that data at some point in the future.
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I will say maybe not bad the deadline. Why? Well my theory is that legal fees and help would be higher (that's right higher) if a longer time period was given. Seems counter intuitive but that's my way of looking at it. (I guess in short maybe a version of 'work expands to fill the time available for completion something like that). That said I don't feel bad for these companies at all. They have plenty of resources…
The 45-day thing is a minor tickle, I shouldn't have lead with it. My point is that to me it feels like this Order is a huge overreach of authority, and whether you personally do or don't feel sympathy for a certain company does not change what the government should and should not be able to ask of a company in the general case. Reading the document, the demands are wide and reaching. I would like to know how much of…
Financial firms such as hedge funds have no issues with such orders, nor should social media have.
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#185Why did they decide to loop in Discord? If this is about targeted ads the Microsoft should have been included, tired of all the spyware on Windows 10.
I would imagine it's at least partially because Discord skews pretty young, with a large audience of minors.
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#186Something big is brewing. I think there is going to be a big push to reign in social media. I've thought long about this and can only think of one way to regulate them. I would propose that people are allowed x degrees of separation. As a regular user I can only go n+2 connections. After that the content is not seen no matter how popular. It will kill virility but should reign in stupidity being broadcast. To increas…
Personally I'd like to go back to an age before social media. It seems social media has had limited substantive success for anyone and has really created more problems than it's worth. Historically I've avoided expressing my views on abolishment but now people are trying to develop fear-mongering strategies around decentralization, so here I am back at abolition. I'd love to find a happy medium but I don't think it's…
"before social media"? You mean like about 4000 years ago ;)
I was in Pompeii a couple years ago, and saw lots of 2000 year old social media.
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#187From the dissenting opinion by Commissioner Noah Joshua Phillips: > These are different companies, some of which have strikingly different business models. And the orders omit other companies engaged in business practices similar to recipients, for example, Apple, Gab, GroupMe, LinkedIn, Parler, Rumble, and Tumblr, not to mention other firms the data practices of which have drawn significant government concern, like…
Hi jawzz, if you don't mind someone would like to ask you these questions:
>I have a question for this user, since he/she chose a good section to quote (it means he/she really looked into it).
>I'd be really interested in his/her opinion or thoughts, and or any other kind of feedback:
>Yesterday there was a widely reported leak of 2 million embedded agents of a foreign government (you can see it in dozens of places).
>I'd ask this user, does he/she think that this FTC order could be by one of these embedded agents in order to gather private information about citizens, for the purposes of censorship?
>I noticed that a few days ago [5 days ago], YouTube has a controversial censorship policy, [it generated 3055 comments when discussed on Hacker News]. Videos discussing political opinion on a certain topic without calling for violence are removed.
>I'd like to just keep it to the facts of whether this FTC action could, in this user's opinion, be part of such a thing. [Gathering information on users for the purposes of censorship]
Thanks for any opinion or feedback.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have billions in cash, but they can't afford to hire enough people to finish this task in 45 days? I believe Requirement 12.d is not necessarily about "what are your trade secrets and future business plans?". Somehow FTC should have clear picture of "WHAT-WHY-WHEN" in order to come to conclusion. We use digital social networking services every day, we still have nearly zero knowledge of how do their platforms ac…
Hiring people on a 45-day notice would only make it take longer...
Also, this is over the holidays during a pandemic.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
> For example, I doubt you and I are two degrees away. I would have never seen this. Well, then, you'd never have seen this terrible idea, and nor would basically anyone else. So, the terrible idea, paradoxically, works, by keeping people from seeing terrible ideas!
I had a feeling someone would point this out. But I would contend me seeing this was still good. I was able to provide feedback to the proposer, and others were able to comment and think about it as well. At the end of the day we've all expanded our minds a bit.
Oh, yep, I wasn’t being entirely serious.
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#190Here is the actual order (PDF warning): https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/6b-orders... I would encourage everyone to read it. My personal take is that this is a ridiculous amount of homework to do in 45 days, and is essentially the FTC asking for not only these companies' "secret sauce" but also their confidential bookkeeping. I would be astounded if none of them challenged this order. For example, r…
They have billions in cash, but they can't afford to hire enough people to finish this task in 45 days? I believe Requirement 12.d is not necessarily about "what are your trade secrets and future business plans?". Somehow FTC should have clear picture of "WHAT-WHY-WHEN" in order to come to conclusion. We use digital social networking services every day, we still have nearly zero knowledge of how do their platforms ac…
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