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Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by skohan » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 6:48 AM UTC

JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #173

I don’t think you should be looking at studies when it comes to how you eat, you should be focusing on how you feel, observing your own body and possibly talking to a doctor. I had a really big problem with acid reflux a while back after I stopped drinking alcohol. I visited many gastrologists and most of them offered little to no help, most only prescribed me drugs which was in my opinion not a solution. I finally m…

I agree that ultimately your own subjective experience is the best measure of how your diet is working for you, surely studies like this are good information about what diet protocol might be interesting to try, especially since it can take a couple weeks to really feel the effects of a new diet.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by didibus » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 6:48 AM UTC

haram_masala wrote: post #19

No control group, and n=14. This study says nothing.

I agree, this is very very preliminary. Out of curiosity I also thought I'd check who made the study, the main doctor is from Istanbul Turkey, and the other main author seems to be Muslim as well.

Now, that justifies why they were interested in studying this, since it's very similar to Ramadan, but it also could show a bit of a bias in hoping to find positive results.

I'd like to see further evidence before I change my IF routine to be from dawn to sunset and also limit drinking intake personally.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by manicorganic » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 6:49 AM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #102

ronyeh wrote: post #32

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I think intermittent fasting is easier to implement for the average person. It's much easier to tell someone that they can eat as much as they want, but only between 6-8pm (one meal a day). It's difficult to tell someone you can eat 3 meals but no more than 1500 calories in total. Once I start eating, I don't want to stop (until I'm full). But the point at which I'm full is way beyond my calorie limit if I am eating…

>It's much easier to tell someone that they can eat as much as they want, but only between 6-8pm (one meal a day). If eating is part of your social or work life as it is for most people then not really. Or you're going to sit there sipping water while your family or your colleagues eat or have drinks which is miserable

Plenty of recovered alcoholics can be around family that drinks (responsibly). Smokers who quit don't have to run away whenever someone lights up in front of them. I quit both (with longstanding addiction issues), and within a few weeks I was able to join family dinners where everyone else drinks and my brother smokes. NBD.

If people can endure that, then people can still be social at mealtimes and just get used to drinking some water or tea or whatever while they fast. Or coffee, mmmmm. They might feel a bit put out at first during lunch, but then again might enjoy the looks they get during dinner when they get to chow down with abandon. The big thing would be waiting until you're comfortable with the fasting so you're not making everyone around you uncomfortable with your body language (or worse, complaining or otherwise drawing attention to it).

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by RussianCow » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 6:51 AM UTC

hombre_fatal wrote: post #131

colinmhayes wrote: post #113

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Drip coffee is horrible, so I understand wanting sugar. I moved to black by buying a mocha pot and aeropress. It's a whole different coffee experience, milk and sugar not necessary.

I have every coffee making gimmick from the chemex to the aeropress and I guarantee you would fail a blind test on which one is which, or if the cups of coffee are even different. I mean, what exactly is the mechanical difference of putting hot water through coffee grounds and a filter that differs when you do it in an aeropress vs. a dripper? And you think you're tasting enough of a difference to say one is horrible…

Anecdotally, I've taste tested various types of coffee using different brewing techniques (regular pour over, Chemex, French press, and espresso), and I can definitely tell the difference. For some specific examples: espresso was by far the most acidic and concentrated (which makes sense if you know how it works); the French press brought out the most bitterness; Chemex produced the least bitter and most consistent coffee regardless of the types of beans (for me this was a downside as I could barely taste the difference between beans, and all of them tasted more bland); and pour over was a nice middle ground (my favorite).

I admit that my test was not blind or scientific by any means, but I didn't know much about the brewing methods back then, so at least I wasn't swayed by any preconceived ideas of how they should taste. Also, it's entirely possible that most people would fail this test, but IME most people also don't particularly care how their coffee tastes. This is evidenced by the popularity of Starbucks, which trades flavor for consistency by over-roasting their coffee.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by theshrike79 » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 6:53 AM UTC

JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #173

I don’t think you should be looking at studies when it comes to how you eat, you should be focusing on how you feel, observing your own body and possibly talking to a doctor. I had a really big problem with acid reflux a while back after I stopped drinking alcohol. I visited many gastrologists and most of them offered little to no help, most only prescribed me drugs which was in my opinion not a solution. I finally m…

The problem with this, for too many people, is that they've never felt "good". They don't have a point of reference they could use to guide them to a better lifestyle

They only know the right-now and that's good enough for them.

This is something I've seen with my friends and family who have never been in good shape. They don't know that it's possible to go up 3 flights of stairs 2-3 steps at a time at a brisk pace and NOT be panting with exhaustion afterwards. They don't know that it's not normal to fart 24/7 and have constant heartburn, because that's all they've ever known.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by fyfy18 » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 6:59 AM UTC

404mm wrote: post #13

By “no drinking”, do they really mean no drinking plain water? 14 hr stretches are doable but it’s interesting to find your body improving while becoming dehydrated.

I'm not sure how things used to be, but having lived in a Muslim country a decade ago, my experience was during Ramadan daily life carried on as usual with people going to work and school. Instances of car accidents (often fatal) during this time were much higher than other times of the year.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by froh » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 7:02 AM UTC

theNJR wrote: post #28

Some of Peter Attia’s thoughts on the more robust study from a few weeks ago that is relevant https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j7AZF8bvcR0

Direct link to the study that's discussed, n=116, w/ control, fasting from 8pm to 12pm the next day.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by kimi » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 7:02 AM UTC

I'd say this - while interesting - does not show a thing. It happens that a billion or so people do this every year, so any actual public health effect should be quite noticeable. Instead, "the highest percentage change in age-standardized BMI related deaths and disability-adjusted life-years occurred in Bangladesh" (that is mostly a Sunni country) - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5866840/#Sec3ti...

Or see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3263199/ - "The recorded high prevalence of the MS and its key cardiovascular risk factors (15-60%) among Middle East population mandates the need for a national and international prevention programs to combat obesity, diabetes, hypertension, dyslipidemia, smoking and related comorbidities."

So I'm not sold.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by rsync » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 7:04 AM UTC

airstrike wrote: post #70

rsync wrote: post #66

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"Would really like to see this compared to another group with a similar level of calorie restriction but without the intermittent fasting." I think the answer to your question is total time inflamed (for lack of a better term). Eating and digesting appear to be an interrupt for many other processes, for obvious reasons. You divert a lot of resources and produce a lot of inflammation and depress a lot of immunity. Do…

Whereas my bro-science intuition tells me that asking my pancreas to produce all the insulin I need in a tighter window is much more taxing

I don't know. You're talking about the engagement of the pancreas itself and I am talking about the effects of that engagement on the entire body.

I note with interest that we make reference to insulin "spikes".

Do I want to insulin spike more, or fewer, times per day ?

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by Markoff » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 7:05 AM UTC

Honestly why not go for proper fasting, 24 hours is absolutely nothing without any preparation and so it's basically 36 hours, you start Monday after dinner, then just don't eat through Tuesday (I have crisis usually around next dinner) and then just go sleep and when you wake up it's 36 hours. By my experience by then the body is used to ist and you can easily push it to 40 hours, didn't really try 48 hours, but I guess with some preparation also not that big deal.

It's pity can't really do it anymore, since I cook for whole family and need my brain working at full capacity, which is not big deal during first day of fasting, but on the 2nd one it would take its toll already, maybe doable during weekend.