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The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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This is not an honest statement, unless you have access to their pricing and costs.

I don't need to; they just pulled those accessories out of boxes they've been selling for years.

But this new phone has different components. How do you know that the price of the phone without accessories is the same as before?

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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What part of "starting at $699" is a lie? You will be able to exchange $699 for an iPhone 12 Mini.

Ok, I have $699 in a US bank account. Tell me how to exchange $699 for an iPhone 12 Mini? My understanding from the article is I cannot, I would have to exchange $729 (with Apple), or something along the lines of $30 with one of those carriers and $699 with Apple for a total of approximately $729...

This is not true according to Apple's own website. They say the discount is instantly applied, and that the full price you'd pay is $699.

> $699.00

> Includes $30 AT&T instant discount

> One-time payment

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Then they should have dropped the price of the phone, no? At least, they should have bundled it in some way, considering that very few people probably have a USB-C brick designed for charging iPhones.

> Then they should have dropped the price of the phone, no? But it's a different phone with different components? Are you expecting that the price should otherwise be exactly the same? That's never what happens that's not a reasonable assumption. > considering that very few people probably have a USB-C brick designed for charging iPhones This is not a truthful statement. It can be charged by Lightning, which plugs in…

> But it's a different phone with different components?

iPhone SE is still $399

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Then they should have dropped the price of the phone, no? At least, they should have bundled it in some way, considering that very few people probably have a USB-C brick designed for charging iPhones.

> Then they should have dropped the price of the phone, no? But it's a different phone with different components? Are you expecting that the price should otherwise be exactly the same? That's never what happens that's not a reasonable assumption. > considering that very few people probably have a USB-C brick designed for charging iPhones This is not a truthful statement. It can be charged by Lightning, which plugs in…

The Lightning cable is Lightning->USB-C. So all the old USB-A chargers won't work...

Which means that people will through this cable in a drawer and use their old one (if it still works properly).

One reason I loved getting a new iPhone was getting a new cable, charger and headphones since my old one's were usually beat after 2-3 years. So this is a huge pain in the wallet, as well as inconvenient.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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It is more annoying than misleading. The pricing is clearly "From $699." You choose your model, choose your color, and then choose your carrier. The price is listed next to each carrier with an orange "Special Offers Available" on top of AT&T and Verizon. The Sim-free device also has the $729 price. As soon as you select your carrier the price on the top of the page adjusts to $729. I noticed this last night when I w…

Yes, but there has never been differential pricing based on carrier selection in the past (at least in the US). If anything, it was more expensive to go with AT&T/Verizon because they charged you a hefty (and completely unnecessary) 'upgrade fee' — even though upgrading takes zero employee intervention on their end.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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> Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet Come on.... Everyone (to some approximation) has a charger already! Why knock the people trying to reduce waste?

Then they should have dropped the price of the phone, no? At least, they should have bundled it in some way, considering that very few people probably have a USB-C brick designed for charging iPhones.

Why should they have dropped the price on the phone?

They are clearly stating what does and does not come in the box at the price. They clearly state the price. You either think what comes is worth it in the box or you don’t. They could exclude the power adapter while simultaneously increasing the price by $200 per unit. If people do not like it, they won’t buy it.

I don’t understand why there is this expectation that something is “owed” to the consumer market. If this was a bad decision on their part, and it drives a lot of consumers away from their products, it will show up in their sales numbers and they will course correct. Sort of how they did on their Mac keyboards.

My guess is that no one will care about the missing power adapter. I certainly don’t. If it increases their margin, good for them. If it is offsetting increased build expenses elsewhere, fine.

Also I would imagine $30 on a $700-$1000 device doesn’t really move the needle for most buyers. My sales taxes on that device will add up to more than that.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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I understand that was more because AT&T/Cingular was the only carrier willing to allow a phone that they literally weren’t allowed to see until launch day onto their network. Didn’t the other carriers baulk at Apple and tell them to pound-sand for thinking they’d let them use their network without any oversight of their phone’s software system or similar?

At the time Verizon also mandated every phone on their network had a whip style antenna. The networks had a stranglehold on the handset market, and it took the iPhone to break it.

The whip antenna thing is absolutely not true, at least for smartphones. I had a Palm Treo and multiple BlackBerries on Verizon, predating the iPhone, which definitely didn't have whip antennas. The Treo had a little nub, and the BlackBerries had no external antenna.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Ask for itemized bill, dispute every single item https://www.aarp.org/money/credit-loans-debt/info-2019/dispu...

watch what happens to that bill when you tell them you are going to pay out of pocket instead of using insurance. suddenly, everything has a different price.

I've heard this before and so I tried it, but unfortunately it was not true in my case. They didn't seem to give a crap about that. In one case they actually told me "you should run it through insurance so you get their negotiated price. otherwise it will a lot more expensive"

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Agreed that I think this is pretty much the only reason why, and it makes sense for them to do that; what's the point of selling 5G on a flagship phone if you can't even get past 4G speeds on other networks' "5G"?

Pick your apple-sheep/skeptic variety: Realistically, its a pandemic where they already delayed production and apple probably didn't have anything else big finished to present besides typical camera upgrades and a new body. Or apple-cynically, apple stopped innovating and the iphone is now just playing catch up to android blah blah blah.

The features of the iPhone 12 family were almost certainly locked in place by the time the pandemic got started.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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post #184

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> Then they should have dropped the price of the phone, no? But it's a different phone with different components? Are you expecting that the price should otherwise be exactly the same? That's never what happens that's not a reasonable assumption. > considering that very few people probably have a USB-C brick designed for charging iPhones This is not a truthful statement. It can be charged by Lightning, which plugs in…

The Lightning cable is Lightning->USB-C. So all the old USB-A chargers won't work... Which means that people will through this cable in a drawer and use their old one (if it still works properly). One reason I loved getting a new iPhone was getting a new cable, charger and headphones since my old one's were usually beat after 2-3 years. So this is a huge pain in the wallet, as well as inconvenient.

> The Lightning cable is Lightning->USB-C

Nonsense. I have tons of USB-A to Lightning cables. They cost dollars.

> since my old one's were usually beat after 2-3 years

What on earth are you doing to them?

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