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The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by coredog64 »

jandrese wrote: post #111
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #46

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I wonder if DOW Chemical and P&G were backing the Federalists in the 1700s or not...

No, but powerful slaveholding interests were a major factor in the design of our government. It's the reasons our voting system favors low-population states--because slaves only counted as 3/5 of a person and the slaveholders were worried this would mean less representation in government and the danger that owning slaves would be outlawed.

The 3/5ths compromise was about giving less representation to slaveholder states, and was not a moral judgment on the value of slaves.

Slaveholder states would have been perfectly happy for representation to be 1:1 for slaves vs. non-slaves.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by dylan604 »

rasz wrote: post #69
freedomben wrote: post #51

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I asked straight up before seeing the doc about the cost and nobody knew. They finally estimated "about $1,500" and my total bill was around $5,000. And if I refuse to pay it, they send me to collections. It's insane what they are allowed to do.

Ask for itemized bill, dispute every single item https://www.aarp.org/money/credit-loans-debt/info-2019/dispu...

watch what happens to that bill when you tell them you are going to pay out of pocket instead of using insurance. suddenly, everything has a different price.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by saagarjha »

e_tm_ wrote: post #21

This isn't cool, but.... Every slide that has a price has the keyword "From" right before it.

Usually "From" has meant "it might cost more if you put in more storage", not "if you buy don't buy this through a carrier it costs $30 more".

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by gnicholas »

saagarjha wrote: post #151
stetrain wrote: post #145

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"decided to not pass that savings onto the customer" Do you have access to the BOM? Sure it was likely a cost-savings measure, but it may have been to combat rising prices elsewhere. It's a two-sided equation and we can't see the whole thing. If Apple did want to be environmentally friendly though I would think offering a reasonably priced multi-device (4-ports?) charger would be more effective than just selling a si…

They pulled it from all their other iPhones and kept the price the same. I think it's pretty clear it's profit for Apple.

Fair point. They do have a significantly upgraded radio, however. I don't remember what happened to pricing when they went from 2G to 3G or 3G to 4G/LTE, but I would not have been surprised if pricing had gone up with the 5G upgrade (in a normal economy).

That said, the AT&T/Verizon giveaway/deception is absolute garbage.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by [deleted] »

chrisseaton wrote: post #147
jacurtis wrote: post #122

Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

> Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet Come on.... Everyone (to some approximation) has a charger already! Why knock the people trying to reduce waste?

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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by strictnein »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #57
jankyxenon wrote: post #27

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Are end-users even going to have a "5G experience"? The average user isn't going to really notice faster downloads or lower latency relative to good LTE. If anything it seems like Apple is doing the wireless carriers a favor by carrying the marketing water for 5G

I think netflix users might notice. If they can push ‘download local’ and it takes 1 second to do so, that might be an interesting thing :) Also, 1 GB games that take 1 second to update will be nice.

1 GB = 80 Gb. No one will be getting 80Gbps 5G speeds.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by chrisseaton »

kevinpet wrote: post #169
chrisseaton wrote: post #147

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> Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet Come on.... Everyone (to some approximation) has a charger already! Why knock the people trying to reduce waste?

I have an old SE. I'm considering upgrading to the new SE. The SE (which has already been out for months at $399) used to come with earpods and now doesn't, at the same price.

> I have an old SE...

So... you've already got compatible earpods? What's the problem?

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by JoelTheSuperior »

epanchin wrote: post #158
stetrain wrote: post #145

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"decided to not pass that savings onto the customer" Do you have access to the BOM? Sure it was likely a cost-savings measure, but it may have been to combat rising prices elsewhere. It's a two-sided equation and we can't see the whole thing. If Apple did want to be environmentally friendly though I would think offering a reasonably priced multi-device (4-ports?) charger would be more effective than just selling a si…

If they wanted to be enviroment they would have switched to USB-C. I'm personally happy about the lack of charger, all my Apple ones go into a drawer never to be seen again.

To be fair I've maintained for a while now that the reason Apple uses lightning on the phones is because it's quite frankly much more durable than USB-C.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by saagarjha »

chrisseaton wrote: post #154
saagarjha wrote: post #153

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They're not.

This is not an honest statement, unless you have access to their pricing and costs.

I don't need to; they just pulled those accessories out of boxes they've been selling for years.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by JoelTheSuperior »

gnicholas wrote: post #174
saagarjha wrote: post #151

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They pulled it from all their other iPhones and kept the price the same. I think it's pretty clear it's profit for Apple.

Fair point. They do have a significantly upgraded radio, however. I don't remember what happened to pricing when they went from 2G to 3G or 3G to 4G/LTE, but I would not have been surprised if pricing had gone up with the 5G upgrade (in a normal economy). That said, the AT&T/Verizon giveaway/deception is absolute garbage.

Motorola literally sells an Android phone for £200 with 5G. I just don't buy it.
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