I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 12:05 PM UTC

danans wrote: post #152

vikramkr wrote: post #144

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I got the impression that the complaint was more about the bribes and all than the regulations meant to protect the land

I agree that the bribes are horrendous. But they're also what you get from a system that incentivizes corruption. You can't expect Indian bureaucracy to be like German bureaucracy, because the incentives are so different for the players at ground level. The alternative is to pay public servants well and charge a very large fee for the permits to finance that. Then, deal corruption on top of that without impunity. How…

Post by jacknews » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 2:33 PM UTC

GordonS wrote: post #169

jacknews wrote: post #51

Try building a factory on farmland in, say UK. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with 'starting a manufacturing unit', but everything to do with completely legitimate government land-use planning / zoning rules, etc, albeit a seemingly inefficient process. The author should have performed due diligence on that process before embarking.

In the UK, it will certainly take time to obtain planning permission (AFAIK, we don't have "zoning" as such). But you will deal with one or two departments, and the requirements will be clear. You will not be sent on a wild goose chase across the region, sprinkling money and bribes as you go. Each department you visit will also not result in a further 3 you must visit, like some kind of bureaucratic ponzi scheme. And…

Post by pkphilip » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 3:33 PM UTC

sushshshsh wrote: post #39

pkphilip wrote: post #28

This is such an amazing writeup. You are an extremely patient person. I hope this gets some press coverage in India. It is shameful that the whole process is so stuck in bureaucracy

John Stossel did a similar experiment over a decade ago I think. Tried to start a simple business selling hats in a mall in 3 countries-- India, USA, and Hong Kong. In HK he was up and running the same day, USA took about a week, and India never completed his business registration.

Post by DenisM » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 3:40 PM UTC

renewiltord wrote: post #164

DenisM wrote: post #122

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> you would have already received your approval if you were willing to pay a bribe There is a law that prohibits American citizens from bribing foreign officials: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Corrupt_Practices_Act

Dude, for things like this you can't just apply Wikipedia knowledge. It's really not enough. Section 78dd–1 is what it looks like in law. Read Section 78dd–1 (b). > (b)Exception for routine governmental action Subsections (a) and (g) shall not apply to any facilitating or expediting payment to a foreign official, political party, or party official the purpose of which is to expedite or to secure the performance of a…

Post by nikonyrh » Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 8:56 PM UTC

wyclif wrote: post #161

praveen9920 wrote: post #34

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It is not just about red tape, it is about corruption. Govt. Employees in India join the Govt job only for "alternative" revenue ( bribes ). This process is usually handled by "agents" who knows how much these govt employees expect and provide "easy" services to whoever wants to get shit done. To take an example a simple thing like driving license takes couple of months to get if one is planning not to involve an age…

It's the same in the Philippines and other developing countries run by corrupt trapo ("filthy rags") politicians. If you go down to the LTO (Land Transportation Office) to get your driver's license, the entrance is crowded with "fixers" who, for a fee of course, will take care of your license for you and even take the driving test for you. There is no enforcement in terms of making the applicant take the driving test…