Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job

Post by nraynaud » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 11:24 AM UTC

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Amazon's non-compete was the deciding factor for me not to join the company. I went through all steps of the recruitment process, but bailed out after receiving the offer. I've had a chat with the hiring contact and I did tell them that I was concerned about the NCA, but they simply waived those away telling me "it's not a big deal". Funnily, even though they were asking if they could change something in the offer to…

> Amazon's non-compete was the deciding factor for me not to join the company. i would ask for, in advance of signing the non-compete (that lasts for X years) the equivalent of X year's of salary. I'm sure there's room to negotiate this so that the company has to pay out the approximate cost of a non-compete.

Post by caskstrength » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 11:34 AM UTC

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Ugh, this garbage again. AWS came after someone I had hired trying to enforce the same non-compete, under more or less the same circumstances (Washington-based employee, working remote out of California). In the process I learned a bunch about this non-compete, and in particular about Amazon's behavior with respect to it: as of 2012, they had tried to enforce this non-compete "hundreds" of times -- and to the knowled…

Post by treeman79 » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 11:46 AM UTC

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It's quite an interesting strategy and for all Amazon's "long-termism", it's a strategy that seems quite short-term focused. It may make their current employees decide not to leave, but it may also lower morale and make future recruits not join. Talk to decision makers deciding which database to buy and see their thoughts about Oracle. Many have been around for decades and have worked for or with the company and refu…

Amazon's non-compete was the deciding factor for me not to join the company. I went through all steps of the recruitment process, but bailed out after receiving the offer. I've had a chat with the hiring contact and I did tell them that I was concerned about the NCA, but they simply waived those away telling me "it's not a big deal". Funnily, even though they were asking if they could change something in the offer to…

Post by Maskawanian » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 12:10 PM UTC

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> There just aren't good arguments for noncompetes. I think the standard argument isn't trade secrets. The standard argument is that you want to incentivize employers to train employees. If I, as an employer, train you for 6 months, then you leave at month 7 for a higher salary (which you can demand cause you have more training/experience), I lose out. So I have no incentive to train you. So training or hiring of peo…

> The standard argument is that you want to incentivize employers to train employees. Charge tuition for training and offer "student loans" with no payments or interest while you're working for the company which are forgiven if you stay for five years or whatever. Then if somebody wants to poach you right away, that's fine, they can just pay off your training loan.

Post by marcinzm » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 12:12 PM UTC

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The perception seems to be that unions hurt well performing employees more than they help. Non-competes are perceived as hurting well performing employees. Why is it surprising that the same group, which perceives itself as well performing employees, would oppose both?

It really depends on which unions you look at. When people hear "union," they think of Teamsters and autoworkers and elementary school teachers. But Steven Spielberg, Tom Cruise, Lebron James, and Tom Brady are all examples of union members too.