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Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by cma »

cageface wrote: post #177
filleduchaos wrote: post #166

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I don't quite see how it's an unsustainably cheap price that none of their competitors can match, considering that the implicit price of Logic includes $1000+ hardware to run macOS on.

Because you'd also have to pay that $1000 hardware cost to run any other DAW. Apple laptops aren't that much more than PC laptops with comparable specs anymore.

They have no laptop options that don't have soldered in ram and CPU and proprietary SSDs that cost 2-4X per gigabyte to upgrade. You end up with dongles and external drives, and Logic used to go out of its way to make that hard to manage (it has gotten better within the last year or two).

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by nchase »

I'm surprised to see so few (zero?) comments specifically about the content of the update. This is an _amazing_ release from a user's perspective.

I'm a Logic user who creates modern sample-based music at a pretty rapid clip. The Quick Sampler here is pretty much perfect and it's what anyone would expect in 2020 – a tremendous replacement for EXS24.

This was a long time coming and (IMO) makes Logic almost a no-brainer for a lot of people who make music.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by ubercow13 »

adamnemecek wrote: post #135

The problem with Logic and other DAWs is that they focus too much on sampling and beat making and not enough of tonality. I'm launching an IDE for MIDI soon http://ngrid.io .

Isn't Cubase supposed to be more focused towards composition, sequencing, tonality

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by dvtrn »

philwelch wrote: post #146
londons_explore wrote: post #139

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Apple is not in a monopoly position, so it's a perfectly legal move. As long as they didn't become a monopoly in any specific creative field, it would be fine too.

Acquiring all of your competitors is a good way to become a monopoly.

In what arena does Adobe compete with Apple though?

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by philwelch »

dvtrn wrote: post #184
philwelch wrote: post #146

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Acquiring all of your competitors is a good way to become a monopoly.

In what arena does Adobe compete with Apple though?

> Apple could buy all DAW companies (Steinberg, Ableton, etc) for peanuts and destroy music production on Windows if they wanted.

That constitutes monopoly and anti-competitive business practices.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by cactus2093 »

jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

I wonder if Apple discontinued aperture because the number of potential users is so high? Everyone who buys an iPhone is a photographer, and their consumer solution for them is the photos app. They want to dumb everything down and make it more streamlined, so all your photos just sync via the photos app to icloud and there’s no work involved like cataloging or organizing. You can make all your basic exposure and color edits right in the camera or photos app.

Positioning aperture alongside final cut and logic, as the power tool for cool creative professionals, would confuse that because of how big photography is for the iPhone.

Edit: also come to think of it, aperture was almost exclusively a tool for managing your photos shot on a dslr. Apple just wants everything to be “shot on iPhone” now so you shouldn’t need that type of legacy workflow.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by thewebcount »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #72
ksec wrote: post #27

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Came here to ask the same question and so far none of the answer seems convincing to me. It would have made a little more sense if they had released this update as Logic Pro 11 and charges some upgrade fees. Instead it is free. To put it into perspective, Logic Pro X user has been getting free update for nearly 7 years running! I think one possible reason / theory is that the resource allocated to Logic is so small (…

>the resource allocated to Logic is so small ( by today's Apple standard ) none of the management bother about it I'm not really buying that because they've killed plenty of other things which would also be tiny investments in the grand scheme of Apple. Aperture, Shake and Motion come to mind. Find it very strange they updated it at this point and really starting to wonder if the reason it still exists isn't somethin…

> Aperture, Shake and Motion come to mind.

Motion has had continuous updates nearly every time FCP has. They updated it a few months ago. [0]

[0] https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/motion/

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by bosswipe »

londons_explore wrote: post #139
giancarlostoro wrote: post #84

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They would probably be sued for being anti competitive if they bought out all the DAW companies and did that.

Apple is not in a monopoly position, so it's a perfectly legal move. As long as they didn't become a monopoly in any specific creative field, it would be fine too.

The hypothetical here was to become a monopoly in professional audio software tools.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by renaudg »

whatok wrote: post #126
dfee wrote: post #86

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Tough (sincerely), and congrats on finding a gig that rewards you daily with passion and enthusiasm. But at the same time, I have little sympathy for people who hate Apple for a move like this - regardless of the optics and whether it was intentional. No one has to use a Mac, but frankly, there’s a reason why the creative crowd does. And, it’s beyond just brand image. They have a clear and complete vision for their s…

Apple does not have a clear and complete vision for their software. They consistently break things with OS and hardware updates. Many of the developers for audio applications are extremely small teams and cannot turn around updates at the drop of a dime when Apple decides to give them little notice that they're once again breaking shit. There is no "golden path" for pro audio on a Mac and that's evident in their desk…

> cannot turn around updates at the drop of a dime when Apple decides to give them little notice

Which audio software developers are you talking about ?

The ones that are given a chance in June each year to preview the latest OS like all other devs, but decide to turn a blind eye while most indie devs get to work and release steady updates over the summer ?

And then, when asked in September if they're gonna be ready on day 1, reply "you know, there's not even a release date for this new OS thing yet". And then, when the new OS drops in October like clockwork, e-mail their entire user base with "OMG DON'T UPGRADE ! THEY DROPPED THIS BOMB ON US, WOW, TOTALLY UNEXPECTED, HONESTLY ! We'll check this out and let you know maybe, in the meantime DON'T UPGRADE !! APPLE BROKE STUFF AGAIN, DAMN APPLE!". And then, in December or January if you're lucky (or never), finally release a compatible version. Rinse & repeat for year n+1.

Or, maybe you're talking about those audio software developers that were given "only" 2 years notice that, ELEVEN years after macOS 10.6 introduced 64-bit support, it was finally becoming mandatory in Catalina. But they still decided to wait until it was released to believe it, like rabbits in headlights. Tough...

Seriously, audio software developers are the worst. They only get away with this behavior each year because musicians are some the most conservative and risk-averse userbase you can have. If you go to forums like Gearslutz.com, you'll find people asking you in 2020 if it's now safe to upgrade to macOS Sierra, or how to downgrade a brand new MBP to 10.13 because they don't "trust" the new stuff. It's utterly depressing.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by sjwright »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #152
crazygringo wrote: post #16

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To be more specific, and in response to your reply: Together with Final Cut Pro, Apple wants to have Mac-only exclusive software that is aimed specifically at cool creative professionals to build up the image that trendy creatives use Macs (and you therefore have no choice but to use a Mac, otherwise you won't have the software you need). Aperture couldn't really compete with Adobe's whole workflow (since Apple didn'…

>The whole point is awesome software that works only on Macs. And that is why I will never go back to Mac.

There is also awesome software only available for Windows, so I guess you can’t use that either. And there is awesome software only available for Linux, so that’s off the table too.
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