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Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by rasz »

patmcc wrote: post #84
macinjosh wrote: post #27

I am seriously surprised how long it is taking for YouTubers to realize the YouTube platform is failing them and in some cases it is pitted against them. When you get down to brass tacks they only care about their advertisers. CBS is a big advertiser and partner for YouTube so they and those like them will always win. Social and legal norms be damned I do get encouraged when I see some creators going their own way li…

YouTubers absolutely realize, but YouTube is the biggest game in town by a huge margin. If you're making non-porn videos on the internet, it's very very hard to be successful outside of youtube.

Currently as an independent creator its only possible to make living wage money on YT or Twitch.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by herpes »

darkarmani wrote: post #90
moron4hire wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's not fair use if you're making money off of it.

> it's not fair use if you're making money off of it. Nope. Completely untrue. Commercial use weighs against the fair use argument, but it doesn't prevent fair-use. See 2 Live Crew's parody of Pretty Woman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell_v._Acuff-Rose_Music,_... . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65GQ70Rf_8Y

The reverse of what this person is saying is an incredibly common misconception. ie. if I'm not making money off of it, I have free reign to use other people's IP in any way I like.

It's pretty frustrating when you are an artist who is actively and brazenly being infringed.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by BitwiseFool »

pryce wrote: post #174
BitwiseFool wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DS9 still had a lot of respect for the 'source material' so to speak. New Trek just wants to keep the iconography and tell whatever kind of story they feel like.

Picard -in the first episode- has given us a Starfleet that has failed to live up to its own principles. Do readers here honestly think that this idea is somehow an abdication of Star Trek's central conceit? - a project where morality tales about possible (fairly socialist, post scarcity) futures can and do help us think about moral issues and respond in more moral ways in our own lives. Cold war Star Trek intentiona…

Iconography in the sense of 'things we know' and brand recognition. USS Enterprise, Warp, Starfleet, the Borg, Vulcans, etc. In other words, things in popular culture that the average Joe/Jane would recognize as "Star Trek".

I was mostly talking about continuity and making storylines fit within the established universe. I wasn't talking so much about themes as I was talking about internal consistency. That being said, I fully acknowledge star trek cannon is a big mess.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

ciabattabread wrote: post #131
danso wrote: post #95

It's interesting that Angry Joe got taken down; AFAIK, RedLetterMedia's review didn't get taken down, and it featured decent chunks of non-trailer footage (not sure if any of them were 10+ seconds consecutively) [0]. And, like AJ's, it was a very negative review. I don't doubt AJ was the victim of manual review, I'm just surprised RLM wouldn't be on CBS's shit list as well. (and tangentially: both are right; the "Pic…

> the "Picard" show is depressingly bad and derivative. I've only watched the first ep, I don’t understand how you can pass judgment on a series based on one episode.

It's also supposed to be derivative at first, I think. The poker game between Data and Picard is nearly exclusively derivative. But it's setting up a platform to jump from. I mean, I hope other elements aren't too derivative, but it seems unfair to criticize the first episode for it. The second one seems to depart quite a bit more (at least enough for my tastes).

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by chc »

wtallis wrote: post #147
chc wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, there was no such requirement in the DMCA. Remember, we're talking about legislation that was written in the late '90s — the idea of Content ID would have been completely alien to them. YouTube has actually implemented a completely parallel system to the DMCA's takedown process.

Content ID was not at all alien to the 90s Congress; the DMCA explicitly calls for the industry to develop such systems, though it stops short of requiring YouTube to do all the technical heavy lifting: (1) Accommodation of technology.—The limitations on liability established by this section shall apply to a service provider only if the service provider— (A) has adopted and reasonably implemented, and informs subscri…

The passage you quoted doesn't call for anything closely resembling YouTube's current system. All it says is that YouTube (where YouTube is standing in for any provider) has to be open to banning repeat infringers, and can't claim DMCA protections if it tries to stop content holders from identifying their copyrighted works through software that is the product of "an open, fair, voluntary, multi-industry standards process."

In the context where the DMCA was written, it seems most likely that they were thinking of, say, Napster banning known copyright enforcement agencies in order to prevent them from scanning its network.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by Izkata »

rkuykendall-com wrote: post #129
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #36

CBS All Access needs the publicity - good or bad, Joe guy is doing them a favor. Hulu has The Orville which I think has proven definitively that anyone can take the Star Trek formula and pump out a watchable show. Who needs CBS?

The Orville is incredible. Anyone who saw the commercials and thought it was Family Guy in space needs to give it a chance. Seth MacFarlane has proven he can make a great Star Trek story without compromising his own brand of humor or interpersonal relationships. I can't wait until it comes back.

Bonus: The switch from Fox to Hulu is because the third season wouldn't have been ready in time and Seth didn't want to compromise on quality.

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Post by VectorLock »

MivLives wrote: post #145
zadkey wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, there is about to be a large market gap for streaming content creators. If someone had the team, the skill, and the funding they could effectively roll out a viable competitor to YouTube. I'm not sure how it would go exactly, but their advertising could very easily be centered around dodging the wrongs of YouTube.

I'm honestly surprised Twitch hasn't made more of a grab for this. Start slowly, maybe a nightly gaming news show. Get a few podcasts to live broadcast their episodes.

People have been talking a lot about how Twitch streaming is eating YouTube. Content creators are finding it more lucrative to stream on Twitch than create monetized content on YouTube. With VODs and such in Twitch they're really eating up that segment of YouTube.

I'm not sure how much YouTube notices though, they still have all the rest of their HUGE pie.

Re: CBS gets YouTube review of 'Picard' taken down for using 26 seconds

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Post by vehementi »

Bendingo wrote: post #173
tempestn wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect you're getting downvoted for your attitude more than your content. Leading with a blanket "You're wrong" doesn't encourage a productive dialogue. Neither do "learn to read" and "I'll spoonfood you".

GP's attitude is fine - there's nothing offensive about stating "You're wrong". People's search (need?) for offense is becoming pathological.

No, there's no mysterious search for offense. If you don't get that opening with "you're wrong" is not very diplomatic, this might be something limiting your career
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